JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.

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I don't know what these people think they are achieving. I think the mum was in a cab which looks like an electric car anyway, they refuse to let her get past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23127608/furious-mum-screams-baby-hospital-just-stop-oil/?utmcampaign=nativeeshare&utmsource=sharebarrnative&utmmedium=sharebarr_native

Yes. Feeding peoples’ sense of outrage sells papers. The food shortages, fires and floods that will increase as time passes are genuinely scary, and for some people, the outrage these stories bring helps them avoid thinking about the actual issues for a while. I have found myself doing this but now try to stand back and ask what purpose my outrage is serving.

The logic goes something like - ‘that’s outrageous, these people at JSO doing this antisocial thing are doing it for the climate. and I don’t support their actions, so why should I support climate action?’

It feels like media manipulation and given the links between politicians, press and oil companies, I’m taking a more sceptical stance when I see this kind of thing. I personally try to focus on what I can do to make the future less bleak for my children.

People can write pages and pages about climate change all they like. Nobody is denying that.

What we are asking is what these shower of numpties are doing about it rather than pjssing absolutely everyone off.

Even the fence sitters on here who insist o arguing tiny points havent got anything to say.

I've yet to see anyone, here or online, or them themselves, show me what it is they're actually doing.

If JSO were actually serious about reducing emissions and reducing reliance on fossil fuels then they would be lobbying and protesting against the people and institutions who actually have the clout to do something about it.

Maybe when they start protesting outside the Chinese embassy (for example), blocking the entrance and spraying orange paint, etc. then I might start believing they actually believe in their own cause.

As it stands at the moment, they are just a group of privileged hypocritical wankers who are acting in their own smug self interest and deluding themselves they are actually 'doing something'.

I personally try to focus on what I can do to make the future less bleak for my children

Me too, in a low key way. Although that has zero to do with JSO. My sympathy is with the mother here. I’m not sure they are helping, they just seem to be a handy way to get people annoyed

But annoyance at individuals achieves very little other than raising the blood pressure. Channel it into holding the fossil fuel industry and their enablers in Parliament and the press to account.

Humans have done far more damage ro polar bear populations (and pretty much every other species too) than anything else. Anthropogenic climate change is just another way we go about killing things.

On a planetary level burning us out of existence will just be some short-term pain for long-term gain.

It's beyond clear that we are far too selfish to even act in our own best interests, let alone another species, so as long as we are the dominant species we will decimate everything else on this planet.

It will be funny to see all the "oh how terrible are JSO protesters" and "I'm not changing my lifestyle / diet / habits" posters coming back on here to moan about how awful it is that they can't find fresh water to drink or enough food to feed their families once the shit really hits the fan though. They'll do it without a hint of irony too.

What?

No.

Do you always advise the victims of peoples shittu behaviour to go and SUPPORT their cause?

But that's a silly point

I can be affected by climate change without being a fan girl of a shower of numpties. It's not one or the other

I don’t think just telling people what to be irritated by works.

That’s the problem for JSO they really do irritate people rather than get support for their cause

My blood pressure is fine though, it’s not like it’s me in that video. I doubt the mother’s is low in the moment

@Thebestwaytoscareatory why are you still alive then?

These cool kids go through life telling people not to get annoyed and taking sides with the other person, I assume. Perhaps they could start posting that on threads, irs a life changer.

What's a silly point?

That we're too selfish, as a collective, to do what is needed to avoid the catastrophic impacts of climate change or that I'll find it funny when the naysayers realise they're well and truly fucked?

Don't think either are silly tbh, maybe the latter is a bit childish but if I'm going to suffer I want those who exasperated the situation to suffer too. If the posters outraged at JSO, most of whom aren't even affected by the road blocks, redirected their ire towards the government and demanded they took action on climate change JSO wouldn't need to protest.

By urging politicians to stop new fossil fuel licences, you’d be supporting the stances of all the climate scientists and universities around the world with any scientific credibility, thousands of humanitarian charities around the world who are dealing with the aftermath of climate related disasters. Thousands of nature charities around the world who are witnessing nature destruction and trying to slow it down, including the Wildlife Trusts and the RSPB.

Suggestions of what we can do from one of the worlds top universities for science:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/stories/climate-action/amp-index.html

JSO are an insignificant UK pressure group.

No, I’m going by the CO2 and other greenhouse emissions data gathered abd published by REAL climate scientists for the past fifty years.

The £20bn in investment to oil companies isn’t investing in burning more oil or generating CO2 emissions because those have been cut by almost half down to 1850 levels.

As I said upthread as an example we need millions of barrels of oil just to run our wind farms. We don’t burn all the fossil fuels, we process them into lubricants and materials necessary for the operation of carbon neutral energy generation. We also need oil for the production of all medicinal ointments and lotions. It’s huge in the cosmetic industry as well. Oil is also needed to manufacture fertiliser so we can grow enough crops on less land to feed the population.

That’s what JSO and you do not get, that drilling for oil and having oil doesn’t mean it’s all going to be burned to generate electricity or for petrol in cars creating CO2.

I don’t think the 100 licenses is a lie, it’s just not the massive problem you think it is as oil licenses and oil doesn’t automatically mean more CO2 emissions. And the facts and data show that CO2 emissions in the U.K. have been reduced faster here than by everyone else in the entire world except for two other smaller countries.

Ah that old chestnut, how long did it take you to come up with such a witty and insightful retort?

I'm still alive because I don't want to die surprisingly.

Plus it's much better that someone like me, who's willing to make changes and campaign for global action and equality, is around than someone who thinks it's their god given right to over consume and do whatever the fuck they want, while the poorest in the world suffer the consequences of their greed.

If I killed myself I wouldn't be able to call-out idiots like that and make them feel uncomfortable would I?

@MillicentBystandr

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From the LA Times - we still get more than 80% of our energy from burning fossil fuels. Global greenhouse gas emissions have rebounded, climbing to new all-time highs after a brief downturn during the COVID-19 pandemic.

We are making changes at home but this is the insight that makes me question JSO

We are doing well in the U.K.

So I’m not currently a JSO activist. BUT for the last 30 plus years I have signed petitions, donated to Greenpeace, joined in peaceful protests, written to my MP, changed my personal habits, supported others to do the same.

Decades of global scientific research, using multiple models, shows without a doubt, that we are causing global warming. Even the oil industry has finally admitted this. In turn that causes climate chaos and breakdown. The tiny minority of scientists that have any doubt are either not climate scientists and/or funded by the oil industry or linked in some way.

Yet, still the Government has made decision after decision that put the profits of the oil industry first. They have made policies that put profit before people and planet - relentlessly. It’s own advisors say it’s not doing enough.

We have already seen wilder weather. Increases in deaths and mortality. Crop failures. In this country. Across the world we have also seen mass migration as people move from areas that have become uninhabitable. All of this will get worse. We will no longer be able to guarantee enough food and water to keep our children alive. There will be more war and conflict over resources. There will more dangerous heatwaves, fires, floods and hurricanes. Sea levels will rise displacing millions and lessening the amount of habitable land further. I could go on.

Children across the world have already died due to climate changes and climate breakdown (eg recently two children were swept away by floods as three months worth of rain fell in Canada, causing floods).

So, critics of JSO. Tell me exactly what else I can do, other than acts of civil disobedience like this, because I am at a loss. I feel I’ve done every other possible thing.

I want to look my DC in the eye and say ‘I did what I could’.

Oil and gas from the North Sea is sold on the open market so won’t lower our bills or improve energy security

More oil and gas plus the ability to store it will improve our energy security and lower bills. Right now we import more oil and far more gas than we export. This means our domestic consumption exceeds our domestic production of oil and gas.

The primary reason we export any oil or gas and our domestic energy bills are so high is because we do not have storage capacity.

(The UK imported £30.0 billion of oil in 2021 and exported £28.3 billion of oil. The UK imported £19.6 billion of gas in 2021 and exported £3.4 billion of gas.)

All it will do is enrich the companies involved and any politicians taking backhanders. And make climate change worse.

It won’t enrich them any more than they are already, right now they are charging profit on top of the cost+profit paid to foreign suppliers of oil and tons of gas. It won’t make climate change worse because more domestic oil and especially gas is only going to replace our dependency on imports while we are decreasing our use for energy production. Over half our electricity is now produced by carbon neutral green technologies like wind and solar- and that is only going to keep increasing.

If every household where it’s possible had rooftop solar panels, and UK solar firms were doing the installations, it would help the economy AND consumers with the cost of living crisis as well as cutting carbon.

No, it would increase carbon and pollution to be so dependent on roof top solar panels on everyone’s home. Due to long dark winters, and dark nights solar panels would need batteries to store excess energy generated in the sunlight. These batteries are an environmental nightmare both in terms of carbon to manufacture and the pollution caused by disposal at end of life. We do much better to not leave it to the individual, but have it done by large companies (which should be nationalised) and have our nation grid fed by a mix of green technologies so that solar can provide real time energy when it is sunny/day time and the other means like wind can pick up when solar is not producing (night, winter, etc). We also need power distribution centres because you can overload the grid on a super sunny day if everyone in the country had solar panels…and so we need solar and wind farms to be adjustable, able to be turned off and on to keep the power flow on the grid stable.

StefanosHill

The Government’s own advisors say we are not doing near enough, fast enough.

If the posters outraged at JSO, most of whom aren't even affected by the road blocks, redirected their ire towards the government and demanded they took action on climate change JSO wouldn't need to protest.

The successive U.K. Governments have taken action on climate change for the past 30yrs and with great success. That’s why JSO doesn’t need to protest.

“We” = the globe
As I said, we and our government are a world leader on cutting carbon emissions and transitioning away from fossil fuels.

Ive quoted the 43% stat for our energy production with carbon zero sources, this was in 2022. However as you can see, yet more progress has been made:

As of 2023, the most recent data from the National Grid (released in 2020) indicated that zero carbon sources generated around 50% of the electricity produced in the UK; this has increased from a meagre 20% back in 2010.
https://energyguide.org.uk/electricity-generation-uk-sources/?amp=1

MillicentBystandr

Actually, the current government de-invested in Climate Change policies, maintained oil subsidies, gave the go ahead to new oil exploration etc etc. Its own advisors say it’s not doing enough. You are misinformed.

Why hello Tory party HQ 😂👋