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JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.

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TRexTara · 22/07/2023 12:38

I don't know what these people think they are achieving. I think the mum was in a cab which looks like an electric car anyway, they refuse to let her get past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23127608/furious-mum-screams-baby-hospital-just-stop-oil/?utmcampaign=nativeeshare&utmsource=sharebarrnative&utmmedium=sharebarr_native

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oakleaffy · 22/07/2023 23:37

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 22/07/2023 22:04

I think the second mum summed it up for me with her “don’t tell me you’ve never got in a fucking car” comment. She’s not wrong.

at least swampy seemed to be a man of conviction and lived by what he preached.

Swampy was massively respected by a policeman who was sent into the tunnels to evict him.

These 'Oil' 'Extinction rebellion' arseholes seem completely devoid of humanity.
They blocked a road in Bristol and a man was unable to get to his dying father in hospital.
Absolute scrotes and cunts, the lot of them.

I was sympathetic to the cause, but NOT now.

They have estranged many people. A terrible own goal by these cuntish road blocks.

WildUnchartedWaters · 23/07/2023 00:32

ATerrorofLeftovers · 22/07/2023 22:18

Ah well, the 250k deaths mean that baby definitely needs to suffer and die, it’s justice, right? And their sacrifice will magically solve climate change, of course.

🙄

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WildUnchartedWaters · 23/07/2023 00:34

Could someone explain to me the difference between JSO and terrorists?

SammyScrounge · 23/07/2023 02:26

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 22/07/2023 18:05

Can I just point out that vegetarians and vegans are capable of making further ethical choices. My local vegetarian cafe no longer serves avocado on toast but serves mashed up peas and egg on toast instead due to air miles and water usage.

My God, vegans are grim!.💀

SammyScrounge · 23/07/2023 02:39

HalloumiLuvver · 22/07/2023 21:40

Do you honestly believe in your heart that the suffragettes would have stopped a mother getting her child to hospital? Really?

I don't.

The suffragettes were unpopular for a time but the cruelties they were exposed to in prison won them support.
That's the difference between suffragettes and our current protesters - suffragettes did their own suffering,climate.protesters inflict suffering on everyone else and enjoy the power trip.

HirplesWithHaggis · 23/07/2023 02:49

SammyScrounge · 23/07/2023 02:26

My God, vegans are grim!.💀

Umm, not vegan when eggs are involved. Vegetarian.

Chickens are neither vegan nor vegetarian.

(I am an omnivore who can't eat mashed up egg, and a bit of a pedant sometimes. Sorry.)

Grapefruitsquash · 23/07/2023 06:58

Flickersy · 22/07/2023 18:12

But which existed in this case, as evidenced by the video.

It's the A40. It's 3 lanes in each direction road with a barrier down the centre. Impossible to do a uturn. I use that road daily. The next junction to that point where they can turn around is the turn off to Hammersmith/White City, about 1.5 - 2 miles away

ivykaty44 · 23/07/2023 07:04

MillicentBystandr · 22/07/2023 20:24

JSO is lying to you. There has been no dismissal of the climate crisis for over thirty years.

You think successive governments have been telling you the truth?

do you think that giving £20 billion more to fossil fuel producers than renewables in the last 8 years is a lie?

£20 billion would have paid for every household in the U.K. to have solar panels on the roof

do you think that the process of the U.K. government awarding over 100 licences to companies hoping to extract oil since 2021 is a lie

AIBot · 23/07/2023 08:43

This is the problem isn’t it @ivykaty44

Oil and gas from the North Sea is sold on the open market so won’t lower our bills or improve energy security. All it will do is enrich the companies involved and any politicians taking backhanders. And make climate change worse.

If every household where it’s possible had rooftop solar panels, and UK solar firms were doing the installations, it would help the economy AND consumers with the cost of living crisis as well as cutting carbon. But until we get a change of government, where politicians are not in bed with fossil fuel companies, we cannot as a nation leverage these win win scenarios.

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 08:49

AIBot · 23/07/2023 08:43

This is the problem isn’t it @ivykaty44

Oil and gas from the North Sea is sold on the open market so won’t lower our bills or improve energy security. All it will do is enrich the companies involved and any politicians taking backhanders. And make climate change worse.

If every household where it’s possible had rooftop solar panels, and UK solar firms were doing the installations, it would help the economy AND consumers with the cost of living crisis as well as cutting carbon. But until we get a change of government, where politicians are not in bed with fossil fuel companies, we cannot as a nation leverage these win win scenarios.

Surely wherever the company is based it’s sold on the open market. We get tax take from that as do other countries made richer by it (Norway to US and ME). It’s like anything we export, except the tax rate is very high compared to other goods.

It can’t be costing us money to keep it going, if it wouldn’t be so hard to disrupt.

As for spending tax payer money on alterations well that takes higher taxes, how much and who from?

ATerrorofLeftovers · 23/07/2023 09:25

ivykaty44 · 23/07/2023 07:04

You think successive governments have been telling you the truth?

do you think that giving £20 billion more to fossil fuel producers than renewables in the last 8 years is a lie?

£20 billion would have paid for every household in the U.K. to have solar panels on the roof

do you think that the process of the U.K. government awarding over 100 licences to companies hoping to extract oil since 2021 is a lie

How does preventing sick people, including babies, from getting to hospital and preventing people being with dying relatives help any of this?

ivykaty44 · 23/07/2023 09:27

As for spending tax payer money on alterations well that takes higher taxes, how much and who from?

we've already paid the taxes and the government have given them to the oil companies, the money has already been spent

This is the point if that £20 billion was spent on putting solar on every single house that wanted it the COL crises would be easier for everyone not just the fucking rich

People seem to want to suffer and be martyrs

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 09:33

ivykaty44 · 23/07/2023 09:27

As for spending tax payer money on alterations well that takes higher taxes, how much and who from?

we've already paid the taxes and the government have given them to the oil companies, the money has already been spent

This is the point if that £20 billion was spent on putting solar on every single house that wanted it the COL crises would be easier for everyone not just the fucking rich

People seem to want to suffer and be martyrs

I don’t know about the £20bn and what went on but oil and gas has helped various countries’ citizens live well. Being more dependent on other countries’ oil brings own issues, see Germany’s switch to coal recently.

I agree we need to move towards renewables but we need the money, so I’d balance exports with switching

Try and do it but keep £ in to fund it

ivykaty44 · 23/07/2023 09:40

I don’t know about the £20bn

it was £80 bn, £20BN more than on renewables

VaccineSticker · 23/07/2023 09:58

AIBot · 23/07/2023 08:43

This is the problem isn’t it @ivykaty44

Oil and gas from the North Sea is sold on the open market so won’t lower our bills or improve energy security. All it will do is enrich the companies involved and any politicians taking backhanders. And make climate change worse.

If every household where it’s possible had rooftop solar panels, and UK solar firms were doing the installations, it would help the economy AND consumers with the cost of living crisis as well as cutting carbon. But until we get a change of government, where politicians are not in bed with fossil fuel companies, we cannot as a nation leverage these win win scenarios.

👏👏👏this.
You are stating facts that doesn’t sell papers.

Mum being stopped by bunch of protestors from getting poorly child to hospital makes everybody’s blood boil- including mine, because that everyone’s natural response.

But climate change catastrophes abroad don’t relate to people here and won’t sell papers and who are funded by big oil companies who don’t care about burning the world down or getting anyone’s baby to hospital.

The irony of it.

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 10:02

VaccineSticker · 23/07/2023 09:58

👏👏👏this.
You are stating facts that doesn’t sell papers.

Mum being stopped by bunch of protestors from getting poorly child to hospital makes everybody’s blood boil- including mine, because that everyone’s natural response.

But climate change catastrophes abroad don’t relate to people here and won’t sell papers and who are funded by big oil companies who don’t care about burning the world down or getting anyone’s baby to hospital.

The irony of it.

But climate change catastrophes abroad don’t relate to people here and won’t sell papers

Pretty sure I’ve seen some posts criticising U.K. media for scaremongering and overplaying fires to sell papers.

A couple of posters who live in those locations spring to mind.

VaccineSticker · 23/07/2023 10:31

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 10:02

But climate change catastrophes abroad don’t relate to people here and won’t sell papers

Pretty sure I’ve seen some posts criticising U.K. media for scaremongering and overplaying fires to sell papers.

A couple of posters who live in those locations spring to mind.

You are talking about climate change deniers who want to downplay these disasters and/or people who choose to want to ignore them as it’s too painful to fathom.
News about these catastrophes are international and not limited to British papers btw.

AIBot · 23/07/2023 10:32

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 08:49

Surely wherever the company is based it’s sold on the open market. We get tax take from that as do other countries made richer by it (Norway to US and ME). It’s like anything we export, except the tax rate is very high compared to other goods.

It can’t be costing us money to keep it going, if it wouldn’t be so hard to disrupt.

As for spending tax payer money on alterations well that takes higher taxes, how much and who from?

The Conservative party and its MPs registered £1.3 million pounds in gifts and donations from climate sceptics and fossil fuel interests since the 2019 election.

The UK government has given £20 billion pounds in subsidies to the fossil fuel industry, and they are resisting applying proper windfall taxes that could help households transition, so no, it is not advantageous to the taxpayer to licence new oil and gas.

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 10:36

VaccineSticker · 23/07/2023 10:31

You are talking about climate change deniers who want to downplay these disasters and/or people who choose to want to ignore them as it’s too painful to fathom.
News about these catastrophes are international and not limited to British papers btw.

News about these catastrophes are international and not limited to British papers btw.

Of course not.

But it’s interesting the criticism is taking both forms. I’ve read more criticism of U.K. media using it to sell news than not. But then again that’s part of mn decides U.K. gets it wrong theme that never dies.

I’d say it can’t be both overplayed and ignored but the reality probably is that both do sell.

The JSO scenario because they irritate people and the catastrophes, which are leading news. I don’t think the idea you went with that it’s not being covered is true at all. You just need to turn on the radio etc

AIBot · 23/07/2023 10:58

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 10:36

News about these catastrophes are international and not limited to British papers btw.

Of course not.

But it’s interesting the criticism is taking both forms. I’ve read more criticism of U.K. media using it to sell news than not. But then again that’s part of mn decides U.K. gets it wrong theme that never dies.

I’d say it can’t be both overplayed and ignored but the reality probably is that both do sell.

The JSO scenario because they irritate people and the catastrophes, which are leading news. I don’t think the idea you went with that it’s not being covered is true at all. You just need to turn on the radio etc

There is some press coverage of the government’s links to fossil fuel companies reported in the Guardian, but its circulation is not large compared to the tabloids, who are still peddling the falsehood that we need to extract all we can from the North Sea for UK energy security.

Imagine if the Daily Mail told the truth about fossil fuel subsidies, the links between firms and political parties, and reported accurately on green energy - how it would help the economy AND consumers with the cost of living crisis as well as cutting carbon.

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 11:08

AIBot · 23/07/2023 10:58

There is some press coverage of the government’s links to fossil fuel companies reported in the Guardian, but its circulation is not large compared to the tabloids, who are still peddling the falsehood that we need to extract all we can from the North Sea for UK energy security.

Imagine if the Daily Mail told the truth about fossil fuel subsidies, the links between firms and political parties, and reported accurately on green energy - how it would help the economy AND consumers with the cost of living crisis as well as cutting carbon.

That’s slightly different to pp which was a broader

‘But climate change catastrophes abroad don’t relate to people here and won’t sell papers’

Someone said on another thread the climate crisis will be the three fs - flood, fires and food shortages

I think the media is covering those, because they are a big deal, but because they sell papers so I don’t agree with that line

On press coverage for that specific issue you may be right, I haven’t given it enough thought yet to say either way

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 11:13

Plus funding and political links are in both directions. Either renewable profits or not, interested parties give money.

So donations are there, I would have to look at other things over that

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/07/2023 11:38

Flickersy · Yesterday 17:04
If your child was that ill why would you waste time arguing when you could ask the taxi driver to turn around and take a side street? JSO are a pain but they don't block all the roads - just go round.

I rather suspect the baby was not in a critical state.”

What do you base your suspicion on?

Did you not see the film? The taxi was surrounded by other vehicles in a jam caused by JSO.

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/07/2023 11:53

BeeHappy12 · Yesterday 19:15

I mean lots of reasons like a dermatology appointment for eczema as one example”

You really are clutching at straws now. Have you any idea of the misery eczema can cause?

No one has any right to prevent another person (or animal for that matter) from accessing medical treatment, however minor you may speculate their condition to be.

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/07/2023 11:57

PostItInABook · Yesterday 20:14
The human race needs clearing out quite frankly. We are a disgrace as a species. Climate change is a good thing for the world overall. Get rid of all of us and let the more civilised creatures take over”

Bollocks. Climate change is good for the world overall? Yea, bring it on.
Tell that to polar bears.