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Aibu to think pregnant women should be offered a seat?

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Hufflepods · 18/07/2023 08:39

Travelling at least twice a day with changes in London and I’m noticing that it’s less and less common to offer a pregnant woman a seat.
I feel like it wasn’t like this during my last pregnancy but this time it almost seems to rare for someone to offer!
I’m 34 weeks pregnant and due to a mixture of sickness and low blood pressure I get really faint in stuffy, busy spaces ie standing on a busy tube. I’m sure that isn’t really unique and many pregnant women feel similarly.
Occasionally someone else also standing will go up to people sitting and ask can one of them let me sit down.
One time I felt truly horrific and could feel my head spinning I asked the people who were in or near the priority seats but they all pretended not to hear me ask about 3 times and then I fainted so that really put me off asking in future.
I kind of feel like the people who look up multiple times and see you standing in front of them then look back down and ignore you are exactly the sort of people to ignore or say no when you explicitly asked which was sort of proven when I’ve asked’
As a side note I’m 34 weeks so a pretty substantial sized bump, fairly petite in general so it’s obviously bump and isn’t hidden under coats due to the weather, plus I wear the badge.
AIBU to think people are just ruder than ever now?

Is it now an unreasonable opinion to think pregnant woman should be offered a seat?

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technotstarnotechstar · 19/07/2023 20:08

Honestly, when you are pregnant or have small children, you are really aware of pregnancy but if it's not part of your everyday reality then people aren't tuned in to it. I say this as a parent of older kids. I will certainly offer if I notice but half the time I'm staring into space in my own world.

technotstarnotechstar · 19/07/2023 20:14

When you asked, are you sure the three people heard you? Or perhaps they were just un zoning and maybe you looked pale and they were about to jump up.
Truly most people don't go round looking at stomachs so unless you are obviously pregnant, then they might just notice a young face. In child bearing years, we tend to become very tuned into spotting pregnancy because it's our world. It's not other people's though necessarily and there's a good chance you don't pick up on cues of other things, e.g. someone with a hearing aid or an ankle bandage.
I used to just confidently ask if needed a seat and on days I didn't, I'd be happy standing. Maybe more people on their phones since your first pregnancy?

Hufflepods · 19/07/2023 20:15

Joanne19900 · 19/07/2023 20:01

If you have paid for a seat then you're more than entitled.... but being pregnant doesn't necessarily mean you get a seat 🤔

You don’t pay for a seat on a bus, tube, tram or tfl rail. That’s not how it works.
A poster has literally showed you the signs and you’re still arguing?

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technotstarnotechstar · 19/07/2023 20:14

When you asked, are you sure the three people heard you? Or perhaps they were just un zoning and maybe you looked pale and they were about to jump up.
Truly most people don't go round looking at stomachs so unless you are obviously pregnant, then they might just notice a young face. In child bearing years, we tend to become very tuned into spotting pregnancy because it's our world. It's not other people's though necessarily and there's a good chance you don't pick up on cues of other things, e.g. someone with a hearing aid or an ankle bandage.
I used to just confidently ask if needed a seat and on days I didn't, I'd be happy standing. Maybe more people on their phones since your first pregnancy?

What absolute nonsense. It's very easy to spot if someone is heavily pregnant or less able to stand than you are.

BetterCallSaull · 19/07/2023 20:43

The last time I offered my seat to a (exhausted looking) heavily pregnant woman, she shot me a nasty look and said 'I'm pregnant, not disabled.'

I haven't dare offer since. But I'd happily give my seat up if someone asked me.

Hufflepods · 19/07/2023 20:46

technotstarnotechstar · 19/07/2023 20:14

When you asked, are you sure the three people heard you? Or perhaps they were just un zoning and maybe you looked pale and they were about to jump up.
Truly most people don't go round looking at stomachs so unless you are obviously pregnant, then they might just notice a young face. In child bearing years, we tend to become very tuned into spotting pregnancy because it's our world. It's not other people's though necessarily and there's a good chance you don't pick up on cues of other things, e.g. someone with a hearing aid or an ankle bandage.
I used to just confidently ask if needed a seat and on days I didn't, I'd be happy standing. Maybe more people on their phones since your first pregnancy?

Is that an excuse for someone to not offer their seat to a person with a stick or an elderly person?
You don’t notice pregnant women if you aren’t pregnant or are done having children just comes across as quite patronising. Interesting to know if you think the same stands, you just don’t notice disabled people if you aren’t disabled and it’s not your world.

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Totalwasteofpaper · 20/07/2023 07:59

YABU
I was pregnant in 2021 and i am pregnant now
i take two of the shittiest tube lines 3 days a week.

In an ideal world you shouldnt have but ask but we live in an imperfect one.
People on tfl are a combo of nice and paying attention, in their own world and arseholes. Also the tube is loud....

Use your words and use you outdoor voice.
I also often go for last carriage as truthfully its such a crush on the central carriages there is not much people can do.
There is no way i am passing out from shyness and i am very prone to fainting with this pregnancy.

Step 1 : <outdoor voice> "Excuse me, Do you mind if i sit I'm pregnant?"
Results

  • I get offered one the 2 priority seats
  • someone in one of the seats next to priority seats jumps up
  • the people in priority say no/ ignore me person and no one else offers

<loudly down the carriage> "would anyone else mind letting me sit? I feel unwell and am pregnant andthese aresoles wont offer me a seat! "

Everyone moves and i sit. 🤷🏻‍♀️

AcesBaseballbat · 20/07/2023 12:34

I do find this thread quite shocking. I have an invisible disability and really can't stand for longer than a few minutes but I haul myself up if I see a heavily pregnant woman who looks like she needs to sit, as long as my own journey is very short (and if I really can't give her my seat I feel bad and try to help her to find a seat). I can't imagine not standing if I was able to.

Whataretheodds · 20/07/2023 12:41

You don’t notice pregnant women if you aren’t pregnant or are done having children just comes across as quite patronising. Interesting to know if you think the same stands, you just don’t notice disabled people if you aren’t disabled and it’s not your world

There are dozens of surveys that confirm this is the case

Indigotree · 20/07/2023 12:43

Joanne19900 · 19/07/2023 18:52

What makes you think your entitled to one?
being pregnant is not an illness, or an excuse to use because you need a seat, people are paying just as much as you to sit down, get in there quicker or get on at an earlier stop.
Some people sat down may need the seat as much as you think you do. or have an illness that is not visible to you or others. Maybe take a fold seat with you if you feel faint then use it!
if you want something then ask for it, otherwise your not going to get it !!!!
so in answer to your question yes I think you are being unreasonable.

Being pregnant certainly very often has many symptoms of illnesses and disabilities and a fall (very possible on London transport) could endanger the baby.

OP is likely to faint. I was in severe agony standing or walking, overcome with fatigue, couldn't balance well and felt sick. That's just the physical symptoms.

Hufflepods · 20/07/2023 17:09

AcesBaseballbat · 20/07/2023 12:34

I do find this thread quite shocking. I have an invisible disability and really can't stand for longer than a few minutes but I haul myself up if I see a heavily pregnant woman who looks like she needs to sit, as long as my own journey is very short (and if I really can't give her my seat I feel bad and try to help her to find a seat). I can't imagine not standing if I was able to.

Definitely use one of the ‘please offer me a seat’ badges if you’re in London! I obviously wouldn’t be able to tell if someone had a hidden problem that made it difficult for them to stand but I would definitely offer my seat if I could see a badge.

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Hufflepods · 20/07/2023 17:14

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You don’t have to comment or be here you know.
Surely, surely you have more positive things to be getting on with.

I think I’m allowed to be frustrated that a depressing percentage of the public have points of view like ‘you’re pregnant not ill! It was your choice so suck it up!’ Or ‘carry a chair with you in future if you think you will feel faint’. I just despair at humanity really that almost 1/3 of the people on this thread have that pov.

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WhateverHappenedToMe · 20/07/2023 17:26

Please explain to me - if the train is so crowded that you can only see people's heads - how is a badge going to be seen? I just got off a train where a woman was standing with a babe in arms, but no-one knew the baby was there.

Please just ask.

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Bore off. It’s a pregnant woman having a shit time. Can’t you get your dopamine response doing something more productive?

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You’re right, pregnant women who feel sick, faint, tired or sore should just quit their jobs rather than feel ‘entitled’ to the seats TfL literally say they should have.

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She passed out. Where’s your compassion? Come on. I also get the tube, I’m reeeeally pregnant. No fucker ever offers me a seat. The only difference is I’m lucky and I feel well.

You’re accusing the OP of hyperbole over despairing, but the absolute gobshite I read on this site makes me despair. Regularly.

Espanaes81 · 21/07/2023 05:48

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Piglet89 · 21/07/2023 05:53

People “sleeping” in the priority seats as well.

when I was heavily pregnant, I woke them up and asked them to move.

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