This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

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Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

Most people won't even bother to adapt to climate change. They'll still use plastic grass and just have air con in their houses making climate change even worse.

The hole in the ozone layer has not gone away at all, we have all just got used to the sun being more dangerous, needing suncream to go out even on cloudy days and a certain number of people around us being stuck down with skin cancer

It didn't used to be like that!

The "hysteria" in the 70s was about the climate being destabilised, with unknown repercussions, and even now, it is unclear whether the UK might or might not get an ice age, if the climate goes completely off balance

Oh, I don't eat avocadoes or many imported veg or drink almond milk, so please no more of that tired old trope.

Agree and this has to change.

Fast Fashion is unnecessary, harmful and should be banned: https://www.zurich.com/en/media/magazine/2021/fast-fashion-5-practical-ways-to-cut-the-carbon-from-your-closet#:~:text=It%20may%20surprise%20you%20to,than%2050%20percent%20by%202030.

Let me guess, you obediently use your council issued recycling bins as well, putting them out on the kerb once a week for collection. Most recycling in the UK is shipped to India and China to be dumped on landfill over there.

It makes people here feel better.

The individual can do very little e.g the worlds two biggest emitters, China and the USA, cannot agree, the USA puts tariffs on Chinese Solar panels & opens up more oil/gas fields, meanwhile, the Chinese open a coal fired power station once every week.
Walking to the shops will make no difference- offset flight emissions? Green washing at its best, everyone should be allowed TWO flight per year and thats it.

We also often have very little choice e.g EV cars, which are extremely damaging to the environment but if Govts and 'makers offer no choice? We'd be better off buying 1.0l cars but they will all be banned in a few years.

Climate change needs world governmental action and we are nowhere nr that, lots of talk though..... we can't even stop Russia and Ukraine bombing the shit out of each other.

The Gulf stream and the winds that drive it are influenced by sea temperatures and currents, so sea warming is going to change everything for the UK, who knows what? but it won't be good.

Then there is migration as people flee areas that can no longer support life - is a re-furbed container ship going to help... idiots.

You don't get to tell people where and what to post so wind it in, and maybe add something to discussion.

@onefinemess
Weather is just weather, just this morning on radio 4 they were discussing the heatwave in Europe, some climate scientist was being interviewed and even she stated

"we don't know how much climate change has effected the temperatures in this heatwave"

That's not what she said at all! She said she hadn't yet run the numbers specifically on this heatwave, because she doesn't need to - the science is clear on climate change and has been for years.

What would you suggest? You seem very snide about anyone who is not perfect.

I am from India, so there is really no need to explain global dumping practices to me.

You can campaign.

You can check what your council (and its investments) are up to.

You can write to your MP about policies that need attention

You can make sure you mention environmental impact (in a friendly sort of way, of course) as an important factor in decision making

You can look at what's happening in your workplace, and advocate for changes

You can ask your DC's schools for their policies, and get the DC involved in talking about them

You can email retailers about excessive packaging and unnecessary single use plastic

You can write to events promoters to ask for their environmental audit, and ask specific questions about things like how they promote public transport and car sharing

You can write to organisers of events sponsored by problematic companies and ask for them to change sponsor

Loads, really

Because it's not just about counting down your impact, it's about growing a new society where environmental and climate concerns are front and central.

@Againstmachine

oh & just to be clear, I don't do any of those things.

I use my car (Ford Focus) for work because my job involves driving, not commuting. I walk loads & do 95% of things I need the car for, when I'm out for work anyway.

I don't have my heating high (that's as much personal preference as environmental awareness)

I might wash my towels more than you do ?! But certainly don't treat them as single use.

I haven’t read the full thread but you’re thinking of the Gulf Stream!

@VikingVolva thank you, that's helpful. I can do some of these. I definitely need to cut down on Amazon. As we don't have a car, we probably overuse it.

Gulf Stream = water

Jet stream = air

The answer to that is to buy recylced products, Pull recycling, rather than push it. Increase the demand for products made locally from recycling

Where on earth do you get that @Againstmachine hates MNers? They are merely pointing out a trend among a number of posters on a number of threads over time. I've seen it too, it's a thing.

Whether or not non-MNers do/don't do this is irrelevant. How could @Againstmachine know?

And surely also reducing the extent of it, where possible?

And realising that "stopping all use of fossil fuel" is a strawman argument. Even with an acknowledgement that some of the change has happened and may not be fully reversible whatever we do, it doesn't follow that we so nothing and continue to burn

Exactly my argument with my DS! simple things like cleaning out a plastic, recyclable tray but he wouldn't do it because 'what's the point? it won't help in the grander scheme of things'. He's 21 and has been far more educated in climate change (than I ever was) so was really surprised with his attitude.

I agree that adaptation is a key thing to focus on now. The climate is changing fast. We need to adapt and change to keep up; moving vulnerable communities out of high risk coastal areas; improvement and vast growth in the production of drought resilient crops etc. A.I will play a huge part in the future in finding solutions. These things aren't outside of our control. We need to push, push, push our Governments to act.

Meanwhile, I'm still learning and trying to have a smaller impact on the planet.

I’m responding to pp who brought it up and the op

But yes Gulf Stream is what generally is talked about

This is from pp

There's no hope that the uk will get colder. It'll only get hotter

It seems a mix up and Gulf Stream issue could still play a role in making us colder?

Last year was AWFUL in London, I felt really anxious and nervous - was terrifying to see everything go brown

I'm really scared about what is happening in Continental Europe

We need to just stop flying

How on earth does that work? how do i demand better recycling services?

Its the Govt that funds councils, councils have a choices - pay for more social care workers OR pay for a better recycling contract/build one, which one do voters demand?

Govt's around the world showed the power they have over the individual with Covid, they can change how we consume goods and travel if they want too.

Does anyone honestly think this is possible, on a global scale?

Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Even if perfect, transformational change is not achievable (easily or at all) that does not mean reductions should not be made. And remember always the power of small chances replicated many times (borrow a copy of Atomic Habits by James Clear for more on that)

buy recycled products?

https://uk.whogivesacrap.org/pages/uncrap-the-world?utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid_search&utm_campaign=&utm_agid=146787654683&utm_term=recycled%20toilet%20paper&device=c&placement=&utm_content=146787654683&utm_a=146787654683&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3rGS5-aXgAMV20RBAh3fQQZbEAAYASAAEgJ8cPD_BwE

Stop believing the MSM!

Look at the actual historical figures for heat waves. Italy had 40 degree heatwave in the 1800’s….long before any large scale human input.

Climate change is natural - watch some videos on telegram by Wide Awake Media with climatologists who aren’t paid to give politically charged and incorrect data.