This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

[orangeleavesinautumn]

Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

It makes me incredibly worried. I actually did a happy dance when a local supermarket put doors on their fridges, it’s so small but felt like a step. We’ve not been abroad in years now, partly cost of living but also climate concern, lowered my meat and dairy consumption, buy second hand off Vinted, found a bike the other day so going to use that instead of driving.. I’m trying, I really am, but it’s not enough.

MandyMotherOfBrian

Im afraid you are wrong. I’d diversify quick. My rels are beef farmers - now grow another very lucrative crop so can keep going without contributing so much.

People changing their habits won't make NO difference.

'You're just a drop in the ocean'
'What is an ocean but a multitude of drops?'

Agree people need to put more pressure on government and perhaps they'd be more motivated to do so if they were making effort themselves.

Are you really saying smoking doesn't affect your risk of death or disease? Really?

Same with meat. Obviously, growing grain to feed to animals that you then eat will be more carbon intensive than eating the grain ourselves. And many types of meat (red meat, processed meat) increase cancer risk.

You choose your lifestyle but you can't choose your facts!

Honestly I just try to appreciate every day as you never know what the future holds, do my best to make better decisions around sustainability etc, vote responsibility and if there's anything I think that will help like supporting causes for change doing that.

As individuals I think that's all we can, not being defeatist but it's not something I want to become all consuming either because that won't help.

The solution is the human race needs to decrease in size dramatically in order to mitigate its impact on the planet, there are too many of us.

I'm a physicist and not too concerned, nature will play its corrections, I thought it was going to with Covid, it tried, but that missed the mark - what was needed was a pandemic that eliminated about 1/4 to 1/3 of the younger demographic, on this occasion it didn't happen.

Rest assured though, the cold mechanisms of nature will continue trying, if parts of the world become un-inhabitbale then people will migrate and crowd together, pathogens love a crowd!, antibiotic resistant TB looks good if it can get going.

They’re both the problem. And almost 80% of soy is used to feed animals…

What people could be doing - since we can't prevent this happening - is peoplepressuring MPs about their plans for energy security, food security, water security, etc.

I've been raising these issues for many years. Yet unsurprisingly no serious policies that would make a significant difference on any such matters feature in the Government's listed top policy priorities or those of the opposition and the reason for that is that very few voters raise these issues as the key priorities when they speak to them. Such things require long-term planning and should have been under preparation for a long time now but if anything on several of these we have gone backwards.

AhDad · Today 09:32
It makes me incredibly worried. I actually did a happy dance when a local supermarket put doors on their fridges, it’s so small but felt like a step. We’ve not been abroad in years now, partly cost of living but also climate concern, lowered my meat and dairy consumption, buy second hand off Vinted, found a bike the other day so going to use that instead of driving.. I’m trying, I really am, but it’s not enough.

Awesome!! If everyone made these changes that adds up to LOADS of carbon not going into the atmosphere. I think people get overwhelmed by the thought of making so much change at once but it is the direction you travel (metaphorically) in that makes the most difference.

Well exactly. The number of climate change deniers is quite extraordinary.

And it doesn't help when government policy doesn't help, reducing tax on flights, not investing in active travel, trying to kill the railways, allowing new coal mining. See also city councils cutting down trees.

No New fossil fuel licenses: means we will be even more reliant on the likes of Putin and the Saudi's because we're not going to start delivering food to the supermarkets by bullock cart.

Investment in renewables: we'll just import it all from China - you know that !.

Building codes have been changed.

A lot of ppl can't afford to heat their houses in the first place and are forced to change their diet just to keep the lights on.

I'm a physicist and not too concerned, nature will play its corrections, I thought it was going to with Covid, it tried, but that missed the mark - what was needed was a pandemic that eliminated about 1/4 to 1/3 of the younger demographic, on this occasion it didn't happen.

Yes, this

As long as you're alright, Jack, eh? It's ingrained selfish 'but what about meeeeeee!' attitudes that has got us to this point. Be sure to leave a note for your children's children's children's children telling them how your steak was more important than saving the planet while we still had the chance. Oh, but chances are the planet will be totally uninhabitable by then and they won't exist.

Not really the manufacture footprint of electric cars is way bigger than a normal car, and also much of the electricity to power them comes from fossil fuels.

If everyone in the UK reverted to living in caves and eating plants it wouldnt make a since shit of differance, while other countries pollute ( at increasing rates ) as they do.
Better to spend on flood defences and infrastructure to deal with it.

Mankind isnt causing climate change, but it is most likely speeding it up.

@Emmamoo89

Do you have children?

Have you thought about their future? The climate you're leaving them in?

Weird argument. My Dad was a milkman - I still manage to not drink milk 🤷‍♀️

People shouldn't be having all these children though, something needs to be done about that

And yes there are too many of us. I am not keen on nature coming up with a plan to kill us off like a supercharged covid, but people could stop having so many kids.

I don't disagree with a cap on child benefit at all, nobody needs more than two children.

SpinCycles · Today 09:35
What people could be doing - since we can't prevent this happening - is peoplepressuring MPs about their plans for energy security, food security, water security, etc.

YUP! Easy to write an email to your MP but is probably one of the most helpful things you can do. We can’t prevent it completely now but we can change enough to limit the effects. Security of any kind will be impossible when the mass migration starts and the conflict and wars start (here - already happening elsewhere).

I'm not sure that I find the 'all we need is mass child mortality' message reassuring, though you might be right

It is so frustrating to see ballon releases/massive ballon displays, constant use of plastic in supermarkets, and the constant consumerism from people. I really have to bite my tongue sometimes.

Someone laughed at me because my water bottle had a Christmas motif on it and I was using it in summer - apparently I should buy a new one because using the Christmas one in July looks wrong!

Eh? Wrong about what?

When I was growing up, I was so curious about history and the world that I used to think 'I will be very upset to never know how the story ends'.

Now, I am rather afraid that I'll get to see the ending, after all.

And STILL I have members of my family who basically nag at me because they think my life is dull - because I don't drive and fly away on holiday several times a year. Meanwhile, they recycle their wine bottles and believe they are doing their bit.

There is no point me or you not drinking so much milk or reducing meat while China and the US (and Russia) continue with their levels of emissions on an industrial scale. Dietary changes are literally a drop in the ocean.
And there is also evidence that growing so much soya or almonds or avocadoes damages the eco system (by removal of the rain forests and other biodiversity.)