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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
lilsupersparks · 14/07/2023 07:20

it really sounds like you want to make this work.

Can you make the holiday a deal breaker? I would speak to him candidly and honestly and lay out all the ‘work’ that needs to be done - including things like getting up with your son, the shopping, the cooking, speaking to campsite owners, buying breakfast. Literally everything.

i would tell him you are re-evaluating over the holiday and be serious that if he doesn’t pull his weight then you will be making some big decisions when you get home. You have to make him believe you though.

Before you leave I would get my name on those savings sharpish thought and decide how I want to manage finances. If you don’t have a joint account for everything, you need one for household expenses. So either all your money gets put into one account and you each get ‘spending’ money out of it, or you have your separate accounts and you put in equal (or what you determine as a fair percentage) money for expenses.

And a dishwasher would be a deal breaker for me. Absolutely.

Neodymium · 14/07/2023 07:22

Could you opt out of the holiday ? Just pretend to be sick. Let him go with ds. Spend the time at home getting your ducks in a row. Let him shoulder the responsibility of something for once.

Hibiscrubbed · 14/07/2023 07:24

it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account

There aren’t many threads that leave me cold.

He’s financially abusive. He’s a selfish, selfish man. He’s lazy. He’s utterly entitled. And he’s a man child.

Fuck, I really hope you get your savings back and leave.

TheSeaDoesntKnowMyName · 14/07/2023 07:24

biscuits777 · 14/07/2023 01:22

it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account

You think your abusive husband is kind?

Fucking hell

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/07/2023 07:24

cestlavielife · 13/07/2023 22:58

Stop doing the van
Go without him in your car
It was achoice to do up the van

This.

And then seriously reconsider your future with him.

If he doesn't even have the energy to listen to you, you certainly shouldn't be expending your energy chasing round after his sorry ars€.

manontroppo · 14/07/2023 07:26

I bet you the savings pot doesn’t exist, he’s been using it to fund his weekends away and lifestyle.

You need to leave, and sharpish.

Themermaidspool · 14/07/2023 07:29

I know its hard but a pp suggested offloading onto us if you want to. Not a bad idea i think - just have a rant and maybe youll feel a bit better. After all the above youre probably feeling a bit bruised and defensive. Please dont worry, no one is judging and actually we are all trying to build you up.
What stands out - this is no sudden behaviour, its taken years to slowly creep up. Its not sudden depression, bereavement etc. Its him saying i dont love you enough to look after you. In any way. At all.
Thats not ever something you have to put up with. And in that case you dont owe him anything.

DustyLee123 · 14/07/2023 07:30

Pack all hours and your child’s belongings in the van while he is away, and move home.

FlamingoQueen · 14/07/2023 07:30

He sounds very selfish and is living his ‘dream’ life whilst you are running around like a headless chicken! I don’t think I could live like this. Could you go and visit your friends/ family for a few days and leave him to deal with everything at home. And buy a dishwasher!

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/07/2023 07:33

Beenhereforever1978 · 14/07/2023 01:34

OP your last update indicates it's "duck protocol time"

😂

Beautifully put!

🐧🦃🐔🐓🕊🐦 (I CAN'T BELIEVE that MN has no duck emoji! FFS, MN - what are you thinking?)

Line up the avian of your choice, @AppelationStation and start with your own bank account for your salary and your family allowance to go straight in to.

GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 14/07/2023 07:34

You say he earns bugger all but then say working a 40 hour week you only earn a third of what he does so clearly he doesn’t earn bugger all! He does sound useless though and that’d frustrate me.

I’d have left the MOT for him to sort. Get a dishwasher. If you’re happy to go away alone do it and have a good time.

PimpMyFridge · 14/07/2023 07:36

Christ alive folks! She earns a third again that's 133.33% of what he earns.
It's been said a number of times now.

Lessonsinbiology · 14/07/2023 07:36

I have no sons but reading this, I imagined it as the mother of this man. What a failure I'd feel to have raised such a selfish waste of space. Can you imagine the shame if you knew that it was your son?

OP, if you stay in this current situation, you may just be continuing this cycle and showing your son that this behaviour is ok.

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/07/2023 07:37

Festoonedflurryfairy · 14/07/2023 06:36

Why?

Op would obviously get her ducks in a row first. Get the financial details of the savings account. Salary slips. Mortgage details. A shit hot lawyer. Etc.

Op’s dh is obviously oblivious to his own shortcomings! It would do him good to see them written out in post after post.

Because he would be furious that she's complaining about him to complete strangers, and feel totally justified in storming off with his mates because she is picking on him, nagging, being disloyal and being totally unfair.

Of course we'd all agree with @AppelationStation - we're all women and we stick together even when we know we're in the wrong.

You are very naive if you think a man like this would be impressed by the opinions of a bunch of women.

lilsupersparks · 14/07/2023 07:37

It really wouldn’t surprise me if he is using the savings on his weekends away to ‘treat himself’ as he is ‘so good with money’ and you don’t deserve it as you ‘spend all your money’ and he is the angelic one who ‘saves’ all his.

The first thing I would want is to get access to this money.

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/07/2023 07:38

lilsupersparks · 14/07/2023 07:37

It really wouldn’t surprise me if he is using the savings on his weekends away to ‘treat himself’ as he is ‘so good with money’ and you don’t deserve it as you ‘spend all your money’ and he is the angelic one who ‘saves’ all his.

The first thing I would want is to get access to this money.

I wouldn't be surprised either. After all - the money has to come form somewhere to fund his jollies.

princessleah1 · 14/07/2023 07:39
  1. Get a dishwasher.
  2. Get access to the savings account. He may accuse you of not trusting him, you'll ha e to get over that. If hes spent the money then you'll have to work out whether he'll ever grow up.
  3. Driving with no mot in a rural area isn't unusual tbh. My dad used to call this "a Cornish car" But going on holiday without one is a definite no.
grumpycow1 · 14/07/2023 07:40

This! If he won’t buy anything for your DS and puts all that on you - then keeps all the money I. A separate pot you can’t access? That is financial abuse. Go back to London and your support network. Life will be easier without a second man-child to look after. Print out this thread and the replies and show him.

Budikka · 14/07/2023 07:41

But what is the point of being married at all?

I ask this even in a wider philosophical sense.

What is the point in people getting married.... then having all these problems which require discussion on internet forums?

Why tangle up your financial affairs in the first place?

Why even be married?

Jigslaw · 14/07/2023 07:42

He sounds awful, honestly you sound organised, hard working and you would be fine by yourself. He has it easy and doesn't respect you or appreciate the support you need.

Zonder · 14/07/2023 07:43

Start your own savings pot and stop giving him any money.
Give him receipts for things your ds needs and get a contribution from him.
He is not kind and needs to grow up.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/07/2023 07:43

Of all the options facing you OP, the first thing to do TODAY is to open a bank account (if you don't already have one) and then get your salary paid into it. Without financial independence, you continue to be screwed.
Lots of good advice on this thread but that really must be your first duck to get in the row.

Lessonsinbiology · 14/07/2023 07:43

PS have you put any money personally into the savings or does he get to save while you buy the household/ family stuff?

Open a savings account and start saving now! Contribute equally to the family pot then save anything extra.
Ask him for details of savings. Do some digging and take photos of statements.

grumpycow1 · 14/07/2023 07:44

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 07:09

Op you are being financially controlled and he is abusive. He is controlling your time, by his own admission you do not have the energy to talk to him. This is because you are doing everything because he chooses not too.

The line about who you thought you had married really resounded with me. If he is a different person now you are grieving the loss of the marriage you thought you had. If you met him tomorrow would you still think he was a catch?

Children adapt and it is far better for them to have happy parents (however that may be) than to see one parent taking the piss and the other really struggling. The time your dc would have with DH post separation would most likely be at least 70% improved.

Good dads do not fail to meet the emotional needs of their kids (or their partners). Good dads do not treat the mothers of their kids like trash. Good dads are emotionally available, they set a good example, they buy the damn uniform or at least don't begrudge it. And they don't hold the cash.

Op I would start by insisting on a joint savings account as a minimum. Take the time on the holiday to observe and reflect on how he treats both of you. Have you considered talking to women's aid? They have some useful resources. Sometimes it seems like a fine line between abuse and a man being an arsehole.

What you describe in you post is financial and coercive control. You have been separated from your support network, you are carrying the financial burden but do not have access to your own money?

You sound like an incredibly resilient strong woman. Good luck OP Flowers

Way better than I put it. Get your finances in order (at least get a copy of how much in his savings) get a good solicitor and then leave.

spuddel · 14/07/2023 07:48

He is incredibly selfish sounding and tbh, you don't sound like you were ever terribly well matched. I would struggle to get over that comment but I really doubt he is someone I'd be with in the first place, lacking any dynamism. Has he said he will cancel the weekend?

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