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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

423 replies

AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
EsmeSusanOgg · 14/07/2023 06:35

biscuits777 · 14/07/2023 01:22

it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account

You think your abusive husband is kind?

This is financial abuse. You are not bad with money OP, you are just paying all the household costs while he hides money and goes away with his mates. If it is not in a joint account like yesterday, then you need to start talking to lawyers.

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 14/07/2023 06:35

Oh and he will be going on your holiday OP, dont waste the energy on that aspect. You know it, he knows it. He can do exactly as he pleases.

Festoonedflurryfairy · 14/07/2023 06:36

porridgecake · 14/07/2023 06:30

Don't show him this thread! That is terrible advice.

Why?

Op would obviously get her ducks in a row first. Get the financial details of the savings account. Salary slips. Mortgage details. A shit hot lawyer. Etc.

Op’s dh is obviously oblivious to his own shortcomings! It would do him good to see them written out in post after post.

EsmeSusanOgg · 14/07/2023 06:36

SummerWhisper · 14/07/2023 06:00

You are projecting all of your good qualities onto him and accepting his gaslighting tactics about you.

You are not bad with money: he is financially abusive.

He controls you by conditioning you to do everything.

He isolated you when you were a new mum, probably too tired to think straight. He has continued to isolate you by making you do everything whilst he lives his best life with family money.

He has contempt for you and your son by refusing to share responsibility for him and all family and house tasks.

He takes your money as his savings so effectively stealing money away from you and your son and spending it on himself.

Your self-respect is zero, I'm so sorry, because every time you ask him to step up he puts you right back in the servant zone and you accept it without question.

This man is a nasty piece of work who has effectively enslaved you so that he only has to deal with his own needs. Your son is super happy at the crumbs of affection from him because even at his young age, he understands contempt. This is heartbreaking.

This OP.

Ihavehadenoughalready · 14/07/2023 06:36

Ok, then it's me that doesn't understand that phrase. It's not a phrase I use. I would say "a third more". Or 1 1/3 times? It wasn't me being rude, it was me wondering if I misunderstood because of American English vs British English.

In any event, she makes more money and he holds the purse strings, and regardless (irregardless?) of who makes more, they should both have access to the joint account, and he's being ridiculous and selfish, and yes, someone pointed out, he should be walking the dog, too.

bussteward · 14/07/2023 06:36

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".
Take his advice and offload to a therapist, us on this thread, and a solicitor.

porridgecake · 14/07/2023 06:37

OP, when you can, go onto the relationships board on here and read some of the advice about getting ducks in a row.
It is really important, in an abusive relationship, to play your cards close to your chest.
Don't confront an abusive, controlling man. The abuse always ramps up if they know you want to leave.
Gather all the financial paperwork/ information you can and get legal advice.
Make plans to leave.

crew2022 · 14/07/2023 06:38

Make a list of household costs and explain you will only be paying half from now on and you want half the savings.
Explain that you will be going to visit family every other weekend and he needs to be home.
Out of your left over money but a dishwasher
Let him know if he can't care for your needs then you will start taking more care of yourself.
Plan to leave

baloosbaloos · 14/07/2023 06:39

Good god. I too am not a automatic LTB voter but what exactly would you lose if you left him? You’re the higher earner and he doesn’t really contribute to domestic labour, AND he’s not that nice to you. Time to ditch.

Shoxfordian · 14/07/2023 06:41

He sounds like a bit of a loser really; he makes shit money, doesn’t support you, isn’t on your team and just wants to slope off with his mates instead. He also clearly told you he doesn’t care about your problems, you should find someone else- so take him at his word and do that. Find a lawyer who will sort out a divorce, get you access to some of that money he’s squirrelled away.

Or you could go on your holiday, keep muddling along and his actions won’t have any consequences this time- they never have before so why now?

DeeCeeCherry · 14/07/2023 06:46

What a life. For the sake of having a man. You've martyred yourself for a man that doesnt even like you and your life sounds boring af. I cant think what you see in him or why you've tied yourself to such a non-achiever but, you must know I guess. You've spoilt him thats for sure. He doesnt care because he doesn't have to

IncomingTraffic · 14/07/2023 06:47

All very well to say DH us financially abusive but it seems as though OP has been a willing participant (strangely) until now.

It never starts like this.

It starts with (years) of drip feeding the narrative that you are useless and irresponsible with money. Your working class background has given you frivolous and bad attitudes. You can’t be trusted to look after money.

Unlike him. He’s got the right kind of background and can be trusted. He’s a ‘saver’ not a profligate ‘spender’.

So, of course, you recognise the need for him to look after the savings. In fact, they’re his savings because he saves his salary. He doesn’t just spend it like you do with yours.

The fact you’re spending all your money on the family and buying things like school shoes - while he fucks off on weekends away with friends - is irrelevant. You demonstrate repeatedly that you are incapable of managing money because you have to ask for money from the savings regularly. Your irresponsibility is undermining financial stability, you know.

And, eventually, you’re a thoroughly boiled frog.

Let’s stop telling women in these situations that they made their own bed/caused their own problem.

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 06:49

Cherryana · 13/07/2023 23:12

He has chosen his friends.
He has chosen his hobbies.
He has chosen his zero stress job.
He has chosen his level of contribution to the household.
He has chosen where to live.
He chose you as his wife and to have a child at one time..but it doesn’t appear he chooses either of you much.

It’s time for you to start doing some choosing.

And he is choosing 'someone' else to talk too. There is nothing here worth having S far as I can see.

Will you have to sort out everything when you get home.

It sounds like you need a timeout to decide what's best for you. You could move near your family and friends and have a very different life. Even just not have to do his admin and wife work would be liberating.

You could try couples counselling but it already sounds like he's checked out. He's getting away with as much as he can.

PimpMyFridge · 14/07/2023 06:51

Well said @IncomingTraffic , 'willing' isn't the word I'd use to describe someone who's ended up denied access to money she's helped build by having her point of view/choice of ways to use the money negated and trashed and her objections shut down.

Lavenderfowl · 14/07/2023 06:52

Hire yourself a really lovely camper and go away just the two of you…I’ve just left a marriage like this, with a young son, and the new reality is a lot better than the old one. Yes it’s scary, no your DS won’t like it in the short term (but he’ll cope better the younger he is) but this is no way for you to live.

Kenwoodmixitup · 14/07/2023 06:53

This is the saddest most dysfunctional account I have read in a long time.

Be your own best friend op - be your own warrior.

Ihavehadenoughalready · 14/07/2023 06:53

porridgecake · 14/07/2023 06:28

What on earth is wrong with people who cannot understand " one third more'?

Because she didn't say "a third more", she said "l make a third of his wage again" and I didn't understand that that phrase meant a third more because I don't use that phrase when I mean a third more. And possibly the word "again" was in an odd place. Sorry. A thousand pardons.

I misunderstood and it made one of my points moot because I thought she meant she made a third of his salary which is quite different than a third more.

Her husband is being very unhelpful, selfish, and irresponsible and I divorced someone who always thought his time and his job were more important than mine, among other things.

mrssunshinexxx · 14/07/2023 06:54

I could not be with someone like this

Confrontayshunme · 14/07/2023 06:58

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 00:30

I could. If it were just me, I'd do it in a flash. We've made a big deal of it being a family holiday. I do t know how I would explain to DS that Daddy isn't coming. It makes me cry.

How do you explain that Dad is going away with his mates and you are staying home. "Daddy is going off to have a weekend with his friends. We will do some fun things and will see him Monday."

Holiday is the same: "Daddy is staying home to spend time with some friends so we will do some fun things together on our turn for a holiday."

Howdoyouknowwhitney · 14/07/2023 07:00

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Gettingbysomehow · 14/07/2023 07:05

Stop organising his life and plan on leaving. He is a dead end husband. This marriage is going nowhere but resentment town.
Get a divorce and move somewhere more suitable for you and DS.
Enjoy the holiday with your DS and make it fun for the 2 of you. Ignore your Hs needs. Dream about your new life.
I've had 2 dead end husbands and my God my life is fantastic without them.

FedUpWithEverything123 · 14/07/2023 07:06

it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them.

What the frack? That's financial abuse! On top of all his other horrific traits! Get rid OP!

Nocirculation · 14/07/2023 07:09

Men are often selfish and immature. I'm not sure why, probably a combination of many reasons. It's going to take a lot to change it I think. Doesn't sound like much of a life for you though.

RedHelenB · 14/07/2023 07:09

He's made his choices, you've made yours. You could have insisted on a dishwasher, booked a holiday that was less stressful, chosen a less stressful job. However, it doesn't sound like there is a lot of love in your relationship so maybe the next choice should be to separate.

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 07:09

Op you are being financially controlled and he is abusive. He is controlling your time, by his own admission you do not have the energy to talk to him. This is because you are doing everything because he chooses not too.

The line about who you thought you had married really resounded with me. If he is a different person now you are grieving the loss of the marriage you thought you had. If you met him tomorrow would you still think he was a catch?

Children adapt and it is far better for them to have happy parents (however that may be) than to see one parent taking the piss and the other really struggling. The time your dc would have with DH post separation would most likely be at least 70% improved.

Good dads do not fail to meet the emotional needs of their kids (or their partners). Good dads do not treat the mothers of their kids like trash. Good dads are emotionally available, they set a good example, they buy the damn uniform or at least don't begrudge it. And they don't hold the cash.

Op I would start by insisting on a joint savings account as a minimum. Take the time on the holiday to observe and reflect on how he treats both of you. Have you considered talking to women's aid? They have some useful resources. Sometimes it seems like a fine line between abuse and a man being an arsehole.

What you describe in you post is financial and coercive control. You have been separated from your support network, you are carrying the financial burden but do not have access to your own money?

You sound like an incredibly resilient strong woman. Good luck OP Flowers

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