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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
nettie434 · 14/07/2023 09:06

I started off thinking he was thoughtless but as I read on, it became clear that his behaviour is very controlling. I'm not normally a LTB poster but your quality of life seems so low at the moment. The suggestion of driving off in a restored van (with MOT) is very tempting.

BluNomad · 14/07/2023 09:07

Just stop doing these things for him, it’s really not that hard to just stop. I went P/T a year ago & am stopping work altogether in August & I do f all for my dh byway of household work & he works f/t, I have zero guilt about it. By all means do things for your son but stop facilitating his laziness, he doesn’t do it because he doesn’t have to. Don’t moan about it just stop & when he moans about it just tell him to moan to someone else that cares

Superdupes · 14/07/2023 09:07

I don't understand why savings would be in his name only, everyone's crying financial abuse but was this agreed between you because you're not good with money? You say there's a dwindling few thousand in the savings so it really doesn't sound like he's that tight and saving up hundreds of thousands - just wants a bit put aside just in case.

I don't understand why you would plan a holiday in a van that isn't completely ready yet and that you're having to spend all evening working on everyday, I don't understand why you would plan such a complicated holiday travelling all over when it sounds like it's just lots of added stress that you don't want.

It feels like he loves his nice easy life and you're making your life really, really stressful and now you're angry that he doesn't want to be part of the stress. Does he want this holiday or is it all you? Is he happy with just the odd weekend out with friends and not going anywhere much and you're pissed off that he doesn't want what you want?

I think you're just very, very different people.

Needanewnamebeingwatched · 14/07/2023 09:08

PaigeMatthews · 13/07/2023 22:57

Well he is a selfish lazy wanker. Go without him. Move home. You get nothing from all this.!

This absolutely 💯

Then when you get back divorce him

quantumbutterfly · 14/07/2023 09:09

ltb

Icannot · 14/07/2023 09:10

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 01:18

@toomuchlaundry it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account

I come from a very working class background, where a cushion was a luxury and the kids came first. Nothing special, we never had holidays or big piles of gifts at Christmas etc. But money was for living in the now because that's what was necessary. As children we were nestly turned out because my parents wanted to make sure we didnt go without or look like we were struggling as they had done. DH is much more middle class than me. Spending on anything other than essentials is self indulgent because you always need to have something in the bank. He'd rather DS have tatty old clothes / home hair cuts / minimal stuff in favour of cash in the bank. We aren't flush, we have a dwindling few thousand in savings. His mentality isn't matched by our means (because he doesn't earn more than minimum wage and is happy to keep it that way because he likes his job).

He's happy for your DS to go without but treats himself to holidays, a camper van, regular nights out. Its nothing to do with a difference in lifestyle, he just sees himself as higher priority than you and your DS.

Schoolchoicesucks · 14/07/2023 09:15

Do you want to go on this van holiday that means you have to work all weekend to finish the van? Can you flip the holiday to stay in hotels? Or ditch it completely and you and dc find a package?

You and DH need to discuss you whole set up. Savings, equitable allocations of housework, life admin, parenting. If living rurally is not working for you because it makes building friendships hard for you, reconsider that.

If he's not willing to discuss these things then that is a sign he's happy with the current set up and not willing to compromise for your happiness.

Ofcourseshecan · 14/07/2023 09:17

the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them.

How did this outrageous situation just ‘happen’, OP?

You earn more of the money, and spend your own share on the children’s needs, but he keeps most of it. You do most of the household work, but he tells you that you could do more, eg make your own clothes!

I’m not blaming you, just hoping you are reading all these replies. And realising how he has gently led you into a cage, so softly and politely that you didn’t see the bars and the locked door.

OP, please break out now! It’s a bad place for DS too, seeing his mum living the life of an unappreciated servant.

ArthurPoppy · 14/07/2023 09:26

Start your own savings account in your name. Stop putting cash into his account.

ArthurPoppy · 14/07/2023 09:27

He is clearly financially abusive

Over40Overdating · 14/07/2023 09:30

This is a heartbreaking read @AppelationStation. This awful, selfish wanker of a man has trampled you down with his selfishness and financial abuse. Given his response to your frustration he’s also clearly emotionally abusive.

You say you can’t part because your son adores him - the same man would would rather his son be dressed in tatty clothes than spend money whilst he has his nights out and holidays and hobbies. And you say his not emotionally available to your son.

Kids notice things and it won’t be long before your son realises fun dad is actually selfish dad.

You need to get half of what’s in the savings transferred to your own account. From now on your save to that.

Child and household expenses split 50/50 from now on as he’s had a free ride on his financial responsibilities your whole relationship.

Then make your plans to leave - this man views you with contempt. You are the skivvy who facilities his life on his terms.

It’s a shocking realisation but you are right about finding someone who could listen and care being the end of this man’s cosy set up. You deserve SO much more

REignbow · 14/07/2023 09:31

This isn’t a marriage it is enslavement!

It definitely is the boiling frog analogy, yet even when you post you are still praising him. Stating he’s kind, saves money better.

He is none of those things. He’s unkind, selfish. He’d would rather have you run his life, do all the chores, look after his child aka run yourself ragged, so his life easy.

In regards to the dishwasher….who made him in charge of deciding not to have one? He’s in charge because his aim is to make your life harder not easier.

You need to leave. Think about your son, show him that this is not how a man behaves or treats his life partner.

When you leave, your life will be easier and you’d be far better off financially.

SafeAsAMouse · 14/07/2023 09:35

You say he’s kind but he’s not very kind to you. What kind things does he do for you?

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 09:37

"I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

This make me so angry in your behalf. Does shit like this just role off his tongue every day. This is so toxic.

70sTomboy · 14/07/2023 09:37

Leave the kids with him, then take off with the van. Go on your own adventures. He can get on with it.

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 09:37

SafeAsAMouse · 14/07/2023 09:35

You say he’s kind but he’s not very kind to you. What kind things does he do for you?

He is 'just kind enough' to keep her thinking it's all her fault and she needs to change.

Willmafrockfit · 14/07/2023 09:38

you are not happy

get your own bank account for a start

FrenchandSaunders · 14/07/2023 09:40

That would be a cruel thing to say to a friend let alone your wife, your life partner and mother of your child.

Not sure I could come back from this OP .. and without all the other shit he gives you.

Quartz2208 · 14/07/2023 09:42

@AppelationStation please look into the freedom programme your posts are littered with what is clearly his thoughts pushed onto yours such as spending is an indulgence but he spends money on himself yet is prepared for his son to where tatty clothes.

that isn’t middle class that is just selfish arsehole.

why are the savings accounts all in his name.

please seek help from womens aid as the more you post the more abusive this relationship sounds

TwinMama6 · 14/07/2023 09:45

I hope OP has been doing a lot of thinking about her situation as many women are made to feel like this and we just have to take this. Marriage is a partnership 50/50.

bussteward · 14/07/2023 09:51

IncomingTraffic · 14/07/2023 08:26

When I left my abusive bastard STBXH a social worker said to me that I needed to hold on to the memories of how awful it was right at that moment. How it felt. What he was willing to put me through. And our son too.

Because they so often convince you that it was just you overreacting. It isn’t that bad. And if it is, it’s your fault really. You should feel sorry for them.

So hold on to that feeling of exhaustion and the despair you felt when he told you he doesn’t care about your needs. Hold on to the feelings of embarrassment and shame when you’re standing at the till and there’s no money in your account to buy some eggs and milk.

Be angry with him. You don’t need to be kind and polite and quiet. You are perfectly entitled to be furious about all of this.

He is not a kind or nice man. Kind men don’t treat their wives like this. It’s not an accident. You cannot accidentally financially abuse someone. That requires effort and planning.

They sometimes suddenly turn nice, too. The morning I left, he brought me coffee in bed for the first time – the only time he’d ever lifted a finger for me. He was so kind and I had to listen to the advice I’d been given: it’s a trick. It’s a trick to make you stay, then he’ll go back to doing what he always does, and get worse because now he knows your leaving is only a threat, you won’t do it.

ichifanny · 14/07/2023 09:53

Ah he has really got you where he wants you , I have a friend who had a partner who did this was low earner and lazy as fuck but whenever they needed something new it was frivolous etc so she ended up having to buy it , any holidays she had to pay for as he acted like he wasn’t bothered but he still came on them . He’s a passenger in life . Funnily enough when they split up he went on to get a promotion .

MichelleScarn · 14/07/2023 10:02

Superdupes · 14/07/2023 09:07

I don't understand why savings would be in his name only, everyone's crying financial abuse but was this agreed between you because you're not good with money? You say there's a dwindling few thousand in the savings so it really doesn't sound like he's that tight and saving up hundreds of thousands - just wants a bit put aside just in case.

I don't understand why you would plan a holiday in a van that isn't completely ready yet and that you're having to spend all evening working on everyday, I don't understand why you would plan such a complicated holiday travelling all over when it sounds like it's just lots of added stress that you don't want.

It feels like he loves his nice easy life and you're making your life really, really stressful and now you're angry that he doesn't want to be part of the stress. Does he want this holiday or is it all you? Is he happy with just the odd weekend out with friends and not going anywhere much and you're pissed off that he doesn't want what you want?

I think you're just very, very different people.

Minimising bollocks

Purplecatshopaholic · 14/07/2023 10:02

Oh op. Please read the comments here - then reread them - then have a serious think about your life. It will stay the same if you let it - he won’t change, why should he, he has his life, and you, exactly how he wants it. Please don’t put up with this any longer - a miserable mum, and a lazy, controlling dad are not good for your child long term.

MichelleScarn · 14/07/2023 10:05

DH is much more middle class than me. Spending on anything other than essentials is self indulgent because you always need to have something in the bank. He'd rather DS have tatty old clothes / home hair cuts / minimal stuff in favour of cash in the bank.
But @AppelationStation you don't even know if there is cash in the bank do you? How's he funding all his jollies?

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