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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
Comtesse · 14/07/2023 08:26

Sounds like you have been under-reacting for years.

What a dickhead he is. Lazy, selfish, tight and rude, what a combination.

No work on the camper this weekend, instead it’s time to buy a dishwasher.

IncomingTraffic · 14/07/2023 08:26

When I left my abusive bastard STBXH a social worker said to me that I needed to hold on to the memories of how awful it was right at that moment. How it felt. What he was willing to put me through. And our son too.

Because they so often convince you that it was just you overreacting. It isn’t that bad. And if it is, it’s your fault really. You should feel sorry for them.

So hold on to that feeling of exhaustion and the despair you felt when he told you he doesn’t care about your needs. Hold on to the feelings of embarrassment and shame when you’re standing at the till and there’s no money in your account to buy some eggs and milk.

Be angry with him. You don’t need to be kind and polite and quiet. You are perfectly entitled to be furious about all of this.

He is not a kind or nice man. Kind men don’t treat their wives like this. It’s not an accident. You cannot accidentally financially abuse someone. That requires effort and planning.

DNLove · 14/07/2023 08:33

I wouldn't go away on my own with DS, firstly it'll be in a van that on its maiden voyage, anything could do wrong. If possible I'd switch to a package type holiday so there's a support network and back up plan. Stuck on side of a motorway with DS on your own trying to call repair man is not the relaxing break you want.
Before you go write him a letter, detail out all the tasks you take burden of. From organising vet care, making sure you have insurance, plan dinner, shop for dinner, cook dinner. Tell him you have up your life to come and be part of his world and you are getting nothing back for it. Tell him to consider what you have told him while you are away as if things don't change you will go away permanently.
This way he has time to think, consider what you have told him without being immediately reactive, has a view of what it's like when you're not there.
Also don't leave any shopping, any food prepared, etc etc. If anything use up as much of food as possible before you go so he has to put effort in to live while you are away.

Bagofmaltesers · 14/07/2023 08:34

I would say no more about his forthcoming weekend away. Use the time he is away to gather financial details, pack up your belongings and go. Or if you wish to stay in your house, buy a dishwasher, pack his belongings into bin bags and change the locks. It’s time to regain control of your life. The holiday is a very small matter compared with the rest of your life.

Naunet · 14/07/2023 08:34

it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account p

For the love of god OP, please find your backbone! If you’re not willing to go away alone or leave this nasty, lazy, selfish little prick, then at least put a stop to this. It ends today, do not put another penny into an account you have no access to. End of, no discussions with him. He either adds your name or you stop paying into it.

I also would strongly urge you to go away alone, or with only your son - and yes Im sure he’ll be upset his dad isn’t coming, but he’ll get over it, it’s hardly the end of the world is it? You need to show this selfish man that you won’t be his little pet skivvy any longer, because trust me, the more you skivvy for someone, the more you put your needs second to theirs, the more you show him that you agree that he’s more important than you, the less he will respect you, and it’s very hard to really love someone you don’t respect. I’d rather be telling you to leave, but I don’t think you will, so instead just keep that in mind.

Please start putting yourself first more and looking after your own interests, because no one else will.

BeachBlondey · 14/07/2023 08:36

I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them

You earn more and he has all the money? WTF did I just read? Is your name even on the account?

LookItsMeAgain · 14/07/2023 08:37

If you're contributing to the savings account, then you simply must get access to that account. It's your money.

I like the suggestion that you pack up the van with your stuff and your DS's stuff and you head home (to your home, your parents, your relatives) so that you have a support network around you.

RedHelenB · 14/07/2023 08:38

montecarlo7 · 14/07/2023 08:03

Have you read the entire thread? How can she do those things (buy a dishwasher and book a holiday) when she doesn't have access to all the money that's coming in?

On credit? And tbf in her OP she didnt mention this. Though why work is paying her wages into another named account I don't know and actually that's not what she put.

Beaverbridge · 14/07/2023 08:42

This character has the life of Riley!. Time for you to make serious changes.

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 08:42

If he won't tell you what is in the savings and by that I mean show you the account then a solicitor will find out for you during the divorce. Best not to wait until then to find out what the true situation is. When he's shows you ask him to transfer minimum half of it into your account and when he says why, say because I said so.

MammaTo · 14/07/2023 08:42

AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 23:23

There are three big complicating factors:

  1. Although he earns much less than I do (it wasn't like that when DS was v tiny and I was at home), he's better with money than I am. He is a saver. Actually, he's tight. I have bought school shoes, uniform, kids clothes, my own clothes, cosmetics etc out of mwy own money for years because he would bawk at how much things are. Decent school shoes are a rip off. Anything over 3.99 for a moisturiser is a waste of money. I could make my own clothes for less, etc. I've suggested over the years that he could choose a more lucrative career, but he would rather we "cut our cloth". As a consequence, the narrative has somehow become that he's the responsible one, and I am a) emotional b) frivolous and c) materialistic.
  1. DS is absolutely besotted with him. He's a very fun dad. DS is an only (not by choice) and DH is his best mate (although he's not great at meeting DSs emotional needs, and I suspect as DS gets older this will become apparent to him and affect their relationship). It would break my heart to break up our family unit as DS sees it. If I moved to somewhere I had any ties to and DS came with me, I'd be taking him hours away from his beloved dad.
  1. I love him. Or at least, I did. I really, really did. It's hard to love someone when they have no respect for you. My self respect has been hard won and I'm sad it's not shared.

This isn’t being tight - being tight is no melas out, no takeaways or frivolities - you’ve just listed necessities

Endlesssummer2022 · 14/07/2023 08:46

Move back to London where your friends and family are, with your son. You have no life currently. Your DH is not a good man, you’re a boiling frog.

Twyford · 14/07/2023 08:46

FFS, a savings pot that you have no access to?

Tell him that, as of now, that account has to go into your name, and you also need a system whereby you both contribute to all household bills in proportion to your earnings. If he continues to expect you to justify things like the cost of school uniform before buying it, that is financially abusive.

Tell him also that there is going to be a much more proportionate division of household tasks. If he doesn't like it, then from now on he is doing his own washing and his own cooking.

And buy that dishwasher.

Mikimoto · 14/07/2023 08:47

Quite apart from all the many other issues, shouldn't YOU also be having weekends away by yourself with friends/family?!

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 14/07/2023 08:52

Duckingella · 14/07/2023 02:38

If you divorce him 50% of those thousands he has saved is legally yours.

This.

I can't tell from your posts whether you also put money into this pot or if you are left with next to nothing once you've paid for everything else. Unless you only operate in cash it will be easy to prove and "his" savings will be a family asset in a divorce.

It sounds miserable OP. Please find the self confidence to stop living like this.

pollykitty · 14/07/2023 08:55

BeachBlondey · 14/07/2023 08:36

I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them

You earn more and he has all the money? WTF did I just read? Is your name even on the account?

Exactly. WTF is wrong with you that you would ever agree to this. Stop contributing to these savings. Don’t even talk about it, just stop and open your own savings. You say you have self-respect but I don’t see it. No self-respecting person would put up with this shit. Your DH sounds like a total arsehole.

Wheresthebeach · 14/07/2023 08:57

Cindan · 14/07/2023 01:56

If you don’t have access to money then you are being financially abused.

I'm sorry OP, but this has moved from useless husband territory, into abusive and controlling.
You need to get out.

AngelinaFibres · 14/07/2023 08:57

He sounds like a pointless blob and you need to rethink what you are getting out of this. However ....
You don't need to have a dog. That's a choice. Dogs are a lovely thing to have but they bring hours of extra work. We had 2. They have gone now and I wouldn't take on anymore. The extra time is wonderful
You could have booked a week in Spain with Jet2 and had a relaxing time. We have a van. It's more effort to pack than just sticking knickers in a case and going.
We helped our son and DIL convert their van. Its a lot of work. Expecting a lazy man to start and finish a job, on which your whole holiday depends, was setting it up for failure.
You can decide to buy a dishwasher.
Having a child is a choice. He sounds like a lovely boy but having a child with a lazy man is never going to work out well.
Basically your choice of husband was a poor one. I did the same with my first so I cannot judge you for that. Perhaps it is time for a change.

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 08:57

'I've suggested over the years that he could choose a more lucrative career, but he would rather we "cut our cloth". As a consequence, the narrative has somehow become that he's the responsible one, and I am a) emotional b) frivolous and c) materialistic.'

His narrative is with the sole purpose of controlling you. He making you out to be reckless which is obviously not true. He could actually have debt that you don't know about. The truth is that you just don't know what's going on.

ukgot2pot · 14/07/2023 08:58

@AppelationStation if this was your friend, mum or sister, what advice would you give them?! You are in an abusive relationship and that won't change anytime soon.

Radyward · 14/07/2023 09:01

I think he needs a short sharp shock as in you not going to France and heading home for a bit or going to France on own. He sounds awful OP. You poor thing puttin up with all the work/ life admin/ housework etc etc no life at all plus him hoarding money and complaining of school shoes omg that is horrible!!! he is awful and his little son will start seeing it very soon

Thosepeskyseagulls · 14/07/2023 09:02

"I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

This marriage is over.

IVFNewbie · 14/07/2023 09:05

I think that the woodwork sanding in the van is seen as a priority means you need to rethink your priorities.

reesewithoutaspoon · 14/07/2023 09:05

Use the weekend away to try and find statements or evidence of what is going on financially so in the case of separation you know how much is in the savings before he has a chance to move it/claim there is less. Take copies of everything.
Can you claim the van needs work for the MOT and get some money transferred from the savings so you have some spare cash.
Honestly he's taught you how to manage on your own doing everything so you know you can manage without him, why stay and increase your workload by looking after a selfish lazy man. You will be surprised how much your workload decreases without him.

Pansypotter123 · 14/07/2023 09:05

Sorry if I have missed this or misunderstood but does your salary get paid into his account? Please say that isn't the case.

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