Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Whose fault was/is this (if anyone's)?

254 replies

familieseh · 12/07/2023 22:21

Family member 1 (host) has a huge garden and hosts gatherings often over summer.

A BBQ has been pending for a while, involving host's family, extended family and friends and neighbours. The purpose of the BBQ is to celebrate two family member's birthdays that are close together.

When first discussed about two months ago, it proved hard to find a date where both birthday family members were available. Also host had a dilemma as to whether to have it on a Saturday or Sunday-given a lot of people have busy Saturdays over Summer, but people work on Mondays and may not want long drives/booze etc.

One of the birthday family members is in a LDR and only sees their DP some weekends, DP always leaves on a Sunday morning as they work on the Monday-it is difficult for them to get Mondays off at this time of year. Host is very aware of this, but it wasn't discussed specifically while making arrangements.

Last time the DP visited everyone was trying to figure out what weekend would be best and decided on this weekend. This was around a month ago.

In the meantime birthday family member's friend asked if they could spend some time with them the Saturday of this weekend-birthday family member mentioned the BBQ and said they were welcome to come to it (which they knew they would be) and mentioned to host who said yes that's fine but then later on, they said to birthday family member 'You do know It's on the Sunday, not the Saturday?'

Birthday family member hadn't known this and is now upset as their DP cannot be at their birthday gathering with them. Their DP is upset because they were looking forward to coming.

Host has said birthday family member should not have assumed it'd be on the Saturday. They've also given their (valid) reasons why the Sunday would be better, and said they discussed it at length with other family members. It had not been specifically mentioned at any point to birthday family member however, despite these discussions, which has riled them somewhat.

Birthday member accepts that they assumed and shouldn't have but feels that host should have specifically mentioned about it being on a Sunday, and should also have perhaps been mindful that birthday member's DP cannot 'do' Sundays when making the decision.

Other info-host reckons they mentioned the date (not day) to both the DP and birthday member. Neither remember this conversation and also have said that this would have been weeks ago and they mightn't' have been mindful to look up whether this was a Sat or a Sun.

Host is upset as birthday member is disappointed and upset and has said they won't attend for the whole day-they were expecting a nice day with their DP and they often have to attend events alone due to LDR and this was going to be a nice day for them, now It's just 'meh'. They're not especially close to anyone else there other than host, and there's a huge age gap with all guests and them too.

Their DP was meant to be doing some of the cooking to give host a break to speak to their friends-which is a small issue.

So was birthday member wrong to assume and should have asked? Was host wrong to assume birthday member knew the day? Should they have specified and/or thought 'hang on, the DP isn't free on Sundays? Should birthday member have made this clearer? All of the above?😂

This is long but I still feel I haven't included all info...I'll answer anything required though!

OP posts:
CSIblonde · 13/07/2023 18:40

Does LDR partner live in Timbuktoo? I've been in a few LDR's where they had a 3+ hour drive home & they never left Sunday morning. Surely as a one off for their partners birthday they can be flexible & leave 5pm ish ( assume barbecue is afternoon due to Mon being a work day for attendees). Or, have 2 barbecues for the two birthdays that are happening.

saraclara · 13/07/2023 18:46

I'd be way more annoyed with my partner not putting himself out to attend an event for my birthday, then with the host.

If I'm not worth a three hour drive in the evening as opposed to the morning, then I'd be reconsidering the relationship.

SideWonder · 13/07/2023 19:08

everyone attending had been sent an invitation or (if they live locally, neighbours/other family members) been told specifically it was the Sunday, other than birthday member.

That is just mean @familieseh and very passive-aggressive. The host wants to have the kudos of being the big man/woman and hosting birthday people, but isn't actually very hospitable - or kind, for that matter!

Mirandathepandaisontheverandah · 13/07/2023 19:33

Honestly everyone involved sounds utterly exhausting.

If Sunday is such a deal breaker for birthday person and dp they should have been crystal clear up front. Both of them now seem to be flouncing.

As for host, what sort of prat actually says the "assume makes an ass out of you and me" line? And says that and then assumes DP is going to be able to help out on a day they are aware DP can't do? Can't help but suspect host is mostly in it for the kudos that comes with playing the host rather than out of any kindness, hence prioritising max turnout from their local mates and the invites to everyone bar the actual birthday person.

mrsm43s · 13/07/2023 19:35

SideWonder · 13/07/2023 19:08

everyone attending had been sent an invitation or (if they live locally, neighbours/other family members) been told specifically it was the Sunday, other than birthday member.

That is just mean @familieseh and very passive-aggressive. The host wants to have the kudos of being the big man/woman and hosting birthday people, but isn't actually very hospitable - or kind, for that matter!

But they were told the date? And that tells them what day of the week it is!

So, for e.g they were told 16th July rather than Sunday 16th July. It wasn't exactly kept secret from them, and it's not the hosts fault that they just assumed it was a Saturday, rather than looking at a calendar, especially since there had already been discussion that it might be a Saturday or a Sunday.

There's no reason given why the DP can't do Sunday apart from they don't want to put themselves out. The fact that they're not coming at all to see the birthday person on their birthday weekend, just because the party wasn't arranged to prioritise their preferences says it all.

SideWonder · 13/07/2023 19:43

Can't help but suspect host is mostly in it for the kudos that comes with playing the host rather than out of any kindness, hence prioritising max turnout from their local mates and the invites to everyone bar the actual birthday person.

Exactly.

WisherWood · 13/07/2023 19:49

Possibly the host (parent or grandparent?) isn’t very impressed with the lack of commitment/inflexibility of the birthday person’s DP and is trying to make a point in the hope the birthday person will realise their DP isn’t that committed to them? Not very nice but could be a motivation.

Could be. Seems to be miscommunication all round plus the host wanting what they want, the DP wanting what they want, and nobody actually considering the person whose birthday it is.

I suspect the OP is the birthday person. Sorry OP, but I think any DP who is that inflexible in a LTR isn't much of a keeper. Sometimes you have to be a bit flexible in these situations, not chuck a strop and decide it's not your weekend to visit when you're not getting everything planned around you.

mrsm43s · 13/07/2023 19:51

SideWonder · 13/07/2023 19:43

Can't help but suspect host is mostly in it for the kudos that comes with playing the host rather than out of any kindness, hence prioritising max turnout from their local mates and the invites to everyone bar the actual birthday person.

Exactly.

One of the TWO birthday people at an event. Both birthday people are able to make it. One of the birthday people's partner is choosing not to make an effort, although they are not at work that day and free to attend if they just showed a little flexibility from their regular routine. Sadly, they are not prepared to make that effort for their partner's birthday.

The host is not the problem here, and she seems to have prioritised a date which everyone could make, even though it's not the preferred choice for one person.

familieseh · 13/07/2023 19:59

Thank you for so many replies, I didn't expect that-and for so many different perspectives.

I'll try to answer as many as I can.

Perhaps crucially, DP doesn't work on a Friday but works Thursday night (until 0630 am ish) Usual routine is they go the partner/birthday person's house after work, sleeps while b'day person works and wakes up the same time as they finish. So they get Fri night, Sat day and night together.

The DP absolutely will not hang about on a Sunday. They state they have to be ready and in the right frame of mind for work, not rushing about at all. There may be a drop of SN (autism?) applicable to that if that matters. They're upset as they were looking forward to it.

Point taken about the host's use of 'Ass out of U and Me' comment-they also assumed the birthday person knew-unless a PP is right and this was somewhat contrived.

The Sunday thing is very common knowledge to host and others involved.

Taking the point about how much effort other LDRs haev had put into them for PPs who've been in those.

I never thought that they might be another 'thing' going on with them.

Host does go 'all out' lots of food and drink, huge marquee-they have a beautiful large garden, quite a 'naice' BBQ.

I am sorry for being confusing, perhaps I should have used names.

Birthday person is largely irritated that the host discussed which day would be best with another family member they're very close to (host that is) but didn't discuss this with them at all, and the BBQ is apparently (50%) for them.

I've answered this before but there was no personal reason for it being on a Sunday, host just had a conversation with another attendee and they agreed on the Sunday but didn't consult the birthday person about the conversation or the decided day-had they done that, birthday person would have spoken to their DP and ascertained if any flexibility could be awarded and if not said they couldn't do that day. May have been the same outcome, may have given time for the DP to take AL, may have resulted in them changing th date. Definitely wouldn't haev meant the two involved parties would have been looking forward to the event then to suddenly find out it wasn't able to happen.

Host says they said the date but DP/birthday member don't recall this at all.

I don't think the Sunday is for fear of drunk people-most guests are quite elderly and/or don't drink. The DP will be driving, and no trains from around there anyway.

The DP doesn't mind doing the cooking at all, that's not an issue, and host always appreciates this because it frees them to talk to people rather than be stuck behind a BBQ all day, so isn't happy that it'll no longer be happening. They also are always helpful tidying up after etc. and usually one of the last to leave. It's not a late thing, starts in afternoon finishes evening.

Just thought as well. If friend hadn't messaged at all, the Bday person and their DP could have just rocked up on the Saturday with their contributions and wondered where everyone was (which is what ALMOST happened with the aforementioned neighbour's gathering)!

@Squeaky2023 I think that's how the host feels but it didn't occur to them that the Sunday might not be suitable. I also think birthday person feels-they're wishing their DP would make an exception for what will be a nice 'do'.

@Yellowflower47 yes in their forties.

It is perhaps possible @PriOn1 that the host feels the birthday person is not realising that their DP 'just isn't that into them' but I personally feel this is a pretty crap way of 'proving' that after both birthdayperson and their DP had been talking about it with them and looking forward to it.

I did wonder about how reasonable it is to assume things like this BBQ would be on a Saturday-host says not to assume but host assumed the birthday person knew it wasn't.

*It sounds like they’re caught between a rock and a hard place with a host that’s been careless and a DP who isn’t that committed This has made me quite sad to think about *Sad

@Codlingmoths IT's odd because host was aware that this person always leaves on a Sunday early, but may have thought they might not this time.

@Marsyas that is a point but, the birthday person has often been upset at the DP never sticking around on Sundays and has confided in host, so they're very aware of that situation, rather than it being something they could easily forget about.

@Beautiful3 that sounds infuriating!

@Saschka birthday person does kind of 'half know' some other people there, but they all know each other well? If that makes sense. The closest age gap to them with others there is twenty years. Bit of 'spare part syndrome' felt without their DP.

@AlisonDonut Grin Grin sorry!

@EliflurtleTripanInfinite yes, I'd do that too but I am a bit of a 'helicopter host' to be honest-I fuss a bit too much whenever I haev people over or so I'm told!

@knockyknees that's what the birthday person feels should have happened-they should have been privy to the plans before they were set

@whatkatydid2013 the host is feeling put out definitely because of the birthdayP being upset and saying they may not be there all day, and that they won't receive help-the DP is a better cook (has done it for a living before) calmer and generally makes things a lot easier for the host.

@Codlingmoths I'd have done that too, just worked around it, been a bit tired etc. Not a big deal but the DP won't.

@Twillow I didn't want any bias that's all. Host didn't know that people preferred Sunday, they just decided others might be busy on Sats throughout summer.

@pikkumyy77 yes, bday person will still attend, but they've said they may not be there all day given it isn't what they expected and they're not really close to anyone there bar host. Never an option to not go at all.

@Begonne no, definitely not. They'll suck it up as others have said. they're just disappointed as were looking forward to it and now It's just something they'll go to and try to enjoy but miss their partner and feel it's unnecessary that this happened. They probably won't stay as long.

@saraclara I am like that too. If something's important I can 'suffer' a little bit for it.

@RobertsRadio no, it didn't occur to them to say about the day. No cognitive decline anywhere either.

Birthday member didn't 'rely' on this BBQ and has done their own gathering for their birthday. This is an annual occurrence and the birthday element is always perpetuated by the host.

@MrsDrSpencerReid I take that point. Again, it makes me feel quite sad.

@CarPour they do know people, just not very well other than the host, but all other people have others there that they know very well. I am not sure about other questions, sorry

I really appreciate everyone's perspectives. Aside from those who've misunderstood slightly (I understand why!) it seems It's more a case of different people feel differently about different things?

OP posts:
Ineedsleepandcoffee · 13/07/2023 20:26

Sounds like the host did it deliberately in the hopes of pressurising the dp to stay longer on the Sunday but it didn't work and now everyone is upset.

Lindjam · 13/07/2023 20:35

What a huge fuss over nothing!

YeahIsaidit · 13/07/2023 20:36

familieseh · 12/07/2023 22:56

@GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut there might be. Never quite worked that out.

@Quitelikeit definitely I've thought about that (the generosity of hosting etc.). Host was definitely bothered about the DP being there though, they're not so bothered now, but they definitely had them in mind when first arranging and knew the birthday member wanted them there-and had also expected them to help with cooking, as it frees them up to speak to people they don't see so often.

Totally not the point of the threat but who invites people for a bbq and then depends of one of the guests to cook so you can mingle??

YeahIsaidit · 13/07/2023 20:36

Thread!

mrsm43s · 13/07/2023 20:36

Ineedsleepandcoffee · 13/07/2023 20:26

Sounds like the host did it deliberately in the hopes of pressurising the dp to stay longer on the Sunday but it didn't work and now everyone is upset.

I really don't think it does.

To me it sounds like the host thought she'd agreed it with everyone and it was a breakdown in communications/misunderstanding. I suspect the host also probably assumed that the birthday persons DP would be happy to show some flexibility since it was their partner's birthday - most people would.

I don't think there's malice meant by anyone, but lack of consideration and selfishness is being shown (perhaps unintentionally) by birthday person's DP. What a shame that this birthday celebration is being marred by their unwillingness to flex.

saraclara · 13/07/2023 20:49

I don't think there's malice meant by anyone, but lack of consideration and selfishness is being shown (perhaps unintentionally) by birthday person's DP. What a shame that this birthday celebration is being marred by their unwillingness to flex.

Yep. I find it odd that the partner is expressing real disappointment and sadness that he 'can't go' when he absolutely can if he chooses to.
I would find it hard to be in a relationship with someone so rigid, and who can't bend even for his partners birthday. Even if there is some neurodiversity there

CarPour · 13/07/2023 21:22

The DP can go though. They are just chosing not to. The DP obviously isn't that upset about not going or they would go.

I think realistically regardless of upset its not fair to expect everyone to cater to the wants of DP. They are chosing to drive home instead of come to the BBQ, and can't expect everyone to cater to their whims.

I suspect the host probably thought they had informed you, and perhaps just didn't think the DP would not come given you'd agreed that weekend. It's a breakdown of communication, but the Dp is the one now chosing to cause the upset

RantyAnty · 13/07/2023 21:44

Like others, I think you're the birthday girl with the DP.

If your relationship consists of 2 night and 1 day, he really isn't a DP. He gets fed and 2 nights of shagging. He's barely a fwb.

It's that way because that's how the guy has engineered it. He's showing his clear lack of caring and what the relationship really is with his refusal and inflexibility.

Look how much drama this has caused for those who truly care about you all caused by a lukewarm fb. He's not the one organising and paying for a lavish party for you is he.

Mirandathepandaisontheverandah · 13/07/2023 21:51

@RantyAnty it's a bbq in someone garden organised by someone who didn't properly check when the birthday person was available. Where on earth are you getting "lavish" party or "those who truly care about you" from?

Ineedsleepandcoffee · 13/07/2023 21:53

mrsm43s · 13/07/2023 20:36

I really don't think it does.

To me it sounds like the host thought she'd agreed it with everyone and it was a breakdown in communications/misunderstanding. I suspect the host also probably assumed that the birthday persons DP would be happy to show some flexibility since it was their partner's birthday - most people would.

I don't think there's malice meant by anyone, but lack of consideration and selfishness is being shown (perhaps unintentionally) by birthday person's DP. What a shame that this birthday celebration is being marred by their unwillingness to flex.

But host knew Sunday was a problem so you would think she would make absolutely sure she had confirmed it with the birthday person but gave everyone else a written invite.

EliflurtleTripanInfinite · 13/07/2023 22:10

If the DP is Autistic it isn't necessarily a reflection on their commitment that they can't make Sunday's work. My DS knows he's Autistic and has been unable to do things he'd love to do. He's said to me he wishes he wasn't Autistic because then he could do certain things that his friends do. Some Autistic people have very real limits like this, it's not always a choice.

blacknredsweeties · 13/07/2023 22:41

A drop of SN? WTF!!!

blacknredsweeties · 13/07/2023 22:43

Whoever you are in this scenario I think you need to let it go.

AutieNOT0tie · 13/07/2023 22:52

Host is hosting their choice. If birthday people don't like it they can host?

readingmytealeaves · 14/07/2023 03:32

The more I read the more I think everyone is unreasonable.
I still think there is an element of performative hosting. If this truly was about celebrating birthdays then the basic minimum for the host would be to check with the 2 birthday people that the date works for them. This sounds more like a local friends & family thing with the birthday aspect being tagged on for kudos, which is fine but then don't pressure the birthday people if they can't make it work.

There has been a lot of criticism of the long distance partner for being inflexible - maybe they are. However they had agreed to attend on a weekend that they wouldn't usually visit and they had agreed to help with the catering so there seems to be some good will from them there. We don't know their job or their other committments so the criticism for not being willing to stay later on a Sunday may be unjustified. Some people have jobs where they really need to wind down and have a peaceful Sunday evening in order to be ready for Monday, not spend Sunday evening driving around late. There were lots of suggestions of them booking Monday as leave which seems to me to be an unreasonable expectation. If the birthday partner is not close to many of the attendees as stated in the OP then the long distance partner certainly won't be - so to book a day's leave to help cater for people one barely knows - I wouldn't do that. The partner was willing to attend and help out if it was Saturday, all they have done is decline the invitation once it became clear it was Sunday and I really struggle to see what is wrong with that. The issue is poor planning & communication between the other parties and it is unfair to scapegoat the partner. If the birthday person is disappointed in long distance partner's refusal to compromise and attend I would see that as a separate issue between them in the context of the history of their relationship, and lots of people would struggle with repeatedly attending events on their own, but that can be the nature of long distance relationships which certainly don't suit everyone.

RantyAnty · 14/07/2023 04:07

Mirandathepandaisontheverandah · 13/07/2023 21:51

@RantyAnty it's a bbq in someone garden organised by someone who didn't properly check when the birthday person was available. Where on earth are you getting "lavish" party or "those who truly care about you" from?

The OP
"Host does go 'all out' lots of food and drink, huge marquee-they have a beautiful large garden, quite a 'naice' BBQ."