To show you what the police actually face in the course of their duty

[baggiesmalls]

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This is already in the public domain .

I see a lot of negative comments about police and some of it , rightly so.

But this sums up for me what the job is about .
And why normal everyday men and women , like me , join the police service .

The bravery shown here is commendable .

Thanks for taking the time to watch .

Omg .

Really ? Child pornography then . Child sexual exploitation.

Indecent images.

I often use layman's terms .

I personally know several police officers and have to deal with them due to my job, every single interaction I've had professionally has been of the highest standard and those I know personally are lovely, mostly female!

Honestly I think people forget that the news only reports on negatives, not the hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of professional police interventions each year. One bag apple for several thousand good sorts

I think you're missing the point, none of those professionals have the legal right to detain you and take away your physical liberty. They cannot exploit their power to handcuff you and put you in car..

Police can literally remove you from the street under the guise of alleged crime. Once you are captive you are literally powerless.

It's about the exploitation of the power imbalance which makes those statistics more significant. 20 individuals were convicted of assault or sexual assault. Individuals who exploited that imbalance to commit a crime.

So I would suggest outrage at that is very much in proportion.

The police are least of your worries in a rape case

and

kiddy porn

When I read these words above from the OP, I have reason to believe that the OP is part of the problem. Surely they can't really believe - or expect us to, as adult women with brains and life experience - their first statement, or that using such an offensive and minimising term for Child Sexual Abuse images is ok in 2023?

OP is wanting to use their video as good PR for the police. We see it and acknowledge it, but it does not distract us from all that is very wrong.

Well as a black woman in a professional job working closely with the police day in and day out I can say… I do not trust them as far as I can throw them.

The way they treat victims of human trafficking is inhumane.

I actually used to have lunch once a week with a police officer co-worker. He was lovely white man and looking for a way out of the force due to disgusting culture in the force. He had a non-white wife and mixed race kids and didn’t socialise with any of the other officers or want any of them to know about his private life. As they didn’t know his private life they openly made jokes about Asian people and had outward racist jokes e.g ‘a p*ki just rang in about an assault, let’s go make his day and teach him about assault, peado’. And everyone laughed.
They assumed as he was another white heterosexual male they could say terrible things not knowing he was married to an Asian woman and had mixed kids.
He managed to change teams in the end to something boring and with lone work. He was a great officer but the only one I could ever say was the kind of officer I’d trust in a crisis.

The good ones don’t last due to culture and bullying. The ones who stay are either bad apples or weak/spineless so laugh along but think they’re different as they don’t actively do anything to cause harm. But they stand and watch nonetheless.

If there was a life and death crisis then yes I would have to call the police. But that’s more because it’s illegal to take the law into your own hands.

Outside of work I’ve had 2 dealings with the police. I was treated with actual contempt and disrespect and I put in a formal complaint. I had done nothing wrong. One of the incidents was a car accident. Instead of the police asking if I was okay they instantly asked what speed I was doing?!! Treat me as though I was a local dealer and only changed their tone when they discovered what job I did. Suddenly they were really nice. I put in a complaint. Nothing happened.

I am used to using layman's terms because the people I generally deal with don't use police speak .

Yes I mean Indecent images of children actually they were pseudo indecent images to be precise .

I was often accused of being too posh when I joined the job so I learned to swear , and talk like a native .

Oh great you're back. With another late night rant.

Can I just point out I work in ex pit villages up north .

Not the Home Counties .

People here do not understand police speak . Being from a rather cosmopolitan bit city that's got a reputation for being a bit posh I learned to use the language I hear around me and swear - a lot .

Because that's the environment I work in . Ex pit villages . Northern . They didn't like my posh accent or my inability to use local language initially so now I say "eh up" like a local and swear without flinching.

That's the reality of where I work . I relate to my audience . I relate to the people I work with in the community I work in . I forget Mumsnet is full of middle class women who
Haven't heard any northern terms .

I saw a Catherine rate sketch the other day about an agency nanny being from "The North" and the horror that instilled .

Soz .!

This isn't late ! Is it past your bedtime ?

@baggiesmalls that doesn’t wash. Are you honestly saying when a member of the public reports the crime of child sexual abuse, you refer it back to them as ‘kiddy porn’?

If you don’t, then where would you use it? Why would that ever need to be in your vocabulary? Who is it used to and why?

This is the problem though isn't it. I tell you a very real situation that was abusive and cruel and you quickly dismiss it as a real world issue because you have never experienced it in all but a very limited and specifically condemned situation, concerning one individual. You are either naive or blinkered to the real experience of the public. I wish I had been well enough, or had the support, to have reported the people who had treated me the way they did but no doubt they know when we are so vulnerable we would be ignored or we are too ill to deal with it while we are focusing on surviving our trauma. I genuinely fear any future contact with the police.

I forget Mumsnet is full of middle class women who Haven't heard any northern terms

Are you kidding?? what a load of patronising clap trap.

You think we all use the term kiddy porn in the North. Give your head a serious wobble.

Ok . I've wobbled my head . Sorry .
Of course I meant indecent images involving children .

Well actually pseudo indecent images. He made them on his computer and kept them in his desk at the surgery .

If that's any better.

I support the police 100%. I absolutely despise criminals. Whenever I hear about the police shooting a criminal, regardless of the circumstances, I think "good".

The OP is making massive and often incorrect assumptions there about where posters are from. They are also showing their prejudices about Northerners and about certain women too.

Child pornography
Not this either. Child Sexual Abuse images.

Oh purleeeease .

Yes all that .

Please just watch the video . Thank you .

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Criticism of the police as an institution does not mean criticism of individual officers. Criticism of institutional failings that allowed men like Wayne Couzens and David Garrick to not only go unchallenged for so long, but to be encouraged by colleagues, is not blaming you as an individual for what these men did.

Well, given the language that MET officers used in leaked WhatsApps discussing Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman, I can believe it.

Once again, OP proves the point she's trying to argue against.

Firstly, my taxes go towards them so yeah I’ll ring them if I need /want to irrespective of my view on them, but the few times I have asked them for help after suffering threats and racist abuse on two occasion they were deliberately useless so I may or may not bother calling them.

"we don't hear of bus and taxi drivers, retail and hospitality workers, doctors, firefighters, or MR and RNLI volunteers using the power to arrest that is invested in them by virtue of their jobs to rape and murder, because these people don't have the power of arrest."
Hmmm
Harold Shipman
Beverley Allitt
Lucy Letby
used the trust placed in them and the tools of their trade to kill. No handcuffs needed.
Colin Howell also used the tools of his trade to kill and his profession lent him an air of respectability. He also used his job to drug and sexually assault trusting patients in his workplace l.
John Worboys didn't need handcuffs to get trusting victims into his vehicle either.

I forget Mumsnet is full of middle class women who Haven't heard any northern terms.

Could you be more classist?

I am from Liverpool and we don't call child sexual abuse images "kiddy porn". And my cousin and grandmother and aunt from the Durham coalfields do not say "eh up", nor do they call CSA images "kiddy porn".

I don't understand your argument. Just because other professions that we trust can't always be trusted doesn't mean we shouldn't criticise the genuine abuses of position we have encountered in the police. All you are suggesting is that we should be able to fight these abuses more easily everywhere surely.

Did they have colleagues egging them in via WhatsApp? Did Worboys use his position as a taxi driver to intimidate his victims into not reporting? Are the papers reporting that there are hundreds of undetected rapists working as taxi drivers, nurses,or doctors? No, but they report that about the police.

I never see a policeman so don't really know what they do.
Round here they may not come out even for a murder.
There do seem to rather a lot of rapists, perverts and murderers in the police.
Not to mention institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia.

I hardly thin using the term kiddy porn is akin to taking photos of murder victims and sharing them .

I've railed against the dinosaurs I came up against in the job . I've reported wrong doing if I've seen it . My language may be - decisive - but in my work I can hand in heart say I've always been empathetic, kind , neutral and did my best .

I have over the years given a lot of support and advice to people on here , which I now choose not to do because it's too fraught . I name change every couple of weeks and now I've outed myself I will again .

I relate to the people in my community and I've done some great work for domestic violence victims, victims of sexual assault and abuse and rape . I dont really care what a bunch of strangers think of my use of language.

I know in my heart I've done a lot for victims because of my common sense approach and my willingness to empathise and listen . If that doesn't come across here then that's fine .