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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To show you what the police actually face in the course of their duty

261 replies

baggiesmalls · 12/07/2023 20:40

fb.watch/lKKA2uMzFn/?startTimeMs=40000

This is already in the public domain .

I see a lot of negative comments about police and some of it , rightly so.

But this sums up for me what the job is about .
And why normal everyday men and women , like me , join the police service .

The bravery shown here is commendable .

Thanks for taking the time to watch .

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WeetabixTowels · 13/07/2023 09:52

Noduckpicsplease · 13/07/2023 09:51

Sorry do you honestly believe that there aren't any sexual offenders who are teachers?!

I have personally known of a few, just in my area. I know my partner has dealt with many. Doesn't mean they think all teachers are or that our children shouldn't go to a school.

No I don’t think anyone who has a DBS check show they’re a sex offender, or offends whilst a teacher, is recruited to a teaching job.

Hereinthismoment · 13/07/2023 09:53

Tbh, I find MN more in denial about teachers than actual teachers are.

In RL we have It Could Happen Here drummed into us (unfortunately at my school it is It Has Happened Here, Multiple Times!)

On MN kids are all lying and poor teacher.

DoristheDuchess · 13/07/2023 09:54

superplumb · 13/07/2023 07:32

Sadly on mumnet you will get the anti police mob. People assume that all police are racist rapists. Because no other criminals work in other sectors like the NHS, murdering gps, nurses who kill babies, consultant who molest children with cancer...but yeah..it's only the police who are wrong uns.

Pretty sure Harold Shipman's colleagues didn't have a nice little nickname for him like 'killer'', in the same way that Wayne Couzens mates nicknamed him 'the rapist'. It was a well known and shared joke amongst his colleagues. They knew and did nothing. That's the difference.

Isolated incidents of criminality in trusted professions are horrific and need to be dealt with to the maximum penalty of the law. Enabling others to continue to commit criminal acts through a toxic culture is a rot that needs to be called out and dealt with, without fear or favour.

Noduckpicsplease · 13/07/2023 09:54

WeetabixTowels · 13/07/2023 09:52

No I don’t think anyone who has a DBS check show they’re a sex offender, or offends whilst a teacher, is recruited to a teaching job.

Just because they've passed a DBS doesn't mean they aren't a sex offender. Just means they haven't been convicted. Jimmy Saville had passed checks.

carpetedbathroom · 13/07/2023 09:59

Lots of opinions here, let me chuck mine in!

I was in the job. I did a fair old stint (a good 12-13 years). For the most part it's crap. No employee rights, bad hours, poor pay, being a whipping boy for the public, the media, your own senior officers. Much like a referee, there are no good decisions for every person who approves of one you make, another hates you for it.

As for the misogyny etc it's obviously there. Can't say I saw too much of it - this speaks to my next point.

The real issue in the plod is apathy. I was smart enough to keep my friends, hobbies and life outside the job going. That kept me sane - but other than my immediate teammates in any unit I was on I knew little of the other officers. I would say hello and make small talk, but a lot of them weren't my sort of people. I can see how the issues raised took root - a lot of proto-wannabe-alpha male attitudes coupled with a them and us attitude borne of the whipping boy status. The police attracts a lot of unsuitable people - the training and selection is nowhere near rigorous enough to root them out. When the law changed to make almost anything arrestable as long as you could prove necessity, what brain was used shut down. Common assault suitable for reporting at best? Bring them in and hand it over. Affray in street 20 minutes ago (used to be found commiting type offence) with no allegations or injuries by the time you turn up? Fuck it nick them all. Discretion went out the window.

I was totally apathetic by the end. I would book off weekends as much as possible, late shifts. I was a DC by that point who could not get any time to do any detecting as the pressure was on to race from scene to scene.

All in, glad I left. I earn three times what I used to, I work 9-5 mon-fri half WFH and am much happier.

It's just a job. Do you know the attitudes of all your coworkers? People being sexist, yeah the dumb ones will speak in public but the real nasty ones will have their inner circle and that's it.

TLDR - the issues are blatant, from experience it's a shit job with not great pay but provides a modicum of perceived power - we are shocked to find it attracts the wrong sort of people!

The poster who commented about rape victims having their phone and medical records scrutinised - you can thank the CPS and defence firms for that one. Most rapes, subjects have been either known or have spent some time in each others company beforehand (be it friends or met in a club or spoken over OLd or whatever) the case hinges on the argument over consent. A defence wants to introduce the slightest hint of reasonable doubt on the victims testimony that it was non consensual. They claim that the victim lives a lavcious life,vthat maybe they have a medical condition making them prone to memory lapse or whatever. They lean on the CPS, state that not all evidence has been properly examined and chuck out the case. The CPS for their part (who make the decision to charge or not in the first place) won't run a case unless it's a slam dunk so they wanna know if there are places a defence could attack so tell the police to check victims phone etc. It's a shit situation but for that (and that only) I will defend the plod a little and say that if you want rape convictions to change you need a root and stem change in the criminal justice system.

Right, that was all very cathartic. Back to staring at word docs and watching YouTube.

As you were.

LimeLimeLime · 13/07/2023 10:00

Caradonna · 13/07/2023 06:37

I was a nurse and no I never felt that people would view me like Beverly Allit but then nursing does not have a culture of covering up for colleagues who should not be in the job.

^^
from a previous post . There are actual tv programmes about how badly people are treated who whistleblow in the NHS. There’s definitely not enough whistleblowing - see recent appalling midwifery deaths.

Midwives are a very different breed from nurses. That "All for one and one for all" coverup culture that the Morecambe Bay midwives had, doesn't exist in nursing.

OneTC · 13/07/2023 10:05

Hereinthismoment · 13/07/2023 09:53

Tbh, I find MN more in denial about teachers than actual teachers are.

In RL we have It Could Happen Here drummed into us (unfortunately at my school it is It Has Happened Here, Multiple Times!)

On MN kids are all lying and poor teacher.

Did everyone else cover up for them?

Hereinthismoment · 13/07/2023 10:06

@OneTC that was sort of my point! Clearly not very well expressed Grin

OneTC · 13/07/2023 10:08

Sorry, it's probably me Blush

Hereinthismoment · 13/07/2023 10:10

No, I think it was me, I was trying to say that I don’t think (ime anyway) that covering for colleagues’ dodgy behaviour does happen in schools. A lot of the time you might see something that’s probably totally harmless but then the person needs some sort of appropriate guidance or advice. Whereas on here I tend to see ‘poor teacher, no wonder men don’t want to be teachers, no wonder they are leaving in droves’ sort of comments. Anyway sorry - I digress!

WeetabixTowels · 13/07/2023 10:13

Noduckpicsplease · 13/07/2023 09:54

Just because they've passed a DBS doesn't mean they aren't a sex offender. Just means they haven't been convicted. Jimmy Saville had passed checks.

The point is potential officers DO have sex convictions and are STILL recruited - and many offend when on the job but keep their jobs. This wouldn’t happen in teaching. I’m not arguing the pros and cons of DBS checks I’m arguing about the different standards held for people whose profession is to protect the vulernable

carpetedbathroom · 13/07/2023 10:15

Probably worth noting that I did drop PSD a couple of anonymous reports - not attitude related but a couple of overheard conversations from officers about drug usage. Unless it's verbalised, Im not sure how I would have picked up on the dodgy attitudes. Probably more me - like I said, I was an insular copper and kept myself to myself. I think I ducked every Christmas do there was for my time - maybe I instinctively knew these people weren't for me?

WeetabixTowels · 13/07/2023 10:16

Hereinthismoment · 13/07/2023 09:53

Tbh, I find MN more in denial about teachers than actual teachers are.

In RL we have It Could Happen Here drummed into us (unfortunately at my school it is It Has Happened Here, Multiple Times!)

On MN kids are all lying and poor teacher.

@Hereinthismoment digressing from the main topic but I find that very interesting! As I usually think it’s the opposite and teachers can’t do any right. There’s a thread at the moment blaming teachers when parents post pictures of sports day on personal social media accounts. Bonkers!

Hereinthismoment · 13/07/2023 10:21

Sometimes it’s more about OP bashing @WeetabixTowels . So if you post something AS a teacher, you’re wrong but if you post something ABOUT a teacher, you’re also wrong, if that makes sense.

WeetabixTowels · 13/07/2023 10:23

Hereinthismoment · 13/07/2023 10:21

Sometimes it’s more about OP bashing @WeetabixTowels . So if you post something AS a teacher, you’re wrong but if you post something ABOUT a teacher, you’re also wrong, if that makes sense.

That is MN all over though isn’t it 😂 rule no 1 - always stick the boot into an OP.

vivainsomnia · 13/07/2023 10:24

I can't help but wonder if the narrative around the Police force would be as it is the media didn't feed on any stories then can grab on to make generalisation because let's face it, sensationalism brings the dish and a lot of it.

Would the police have the same terrible reputation if it only came down to people's own experience?

Of course there have been awful cases of the Police acting inappropriate and causing the most dreadful crime.

As we know that the media will pick up every single case that becomes a mean to lynch the police force whilst only very occasionally bothering to mention cases of heroic behaviour, how can anyone really conclude what the police force is really like overall?

WeetabixTowels · 13/07/2023 10:27

vivainsomnia · 13/07/2023 10:24

I can't help but wonder if the narrative around the Police force would be as it is the media didn't feed on any stories then can grab on to make generalisation because let's face it, sensationalism brings the dish and a lot of it.

Would the police have the same terrible reputation if it only came down to people's own experience?

Of course there have been awful cases of the Police acting inappropriate and causing the most dreadful crime.

As we know that the media will pick up every single case that becomes a mean to lynch the police force whilst only very occasionally bothering to mention cases of heroic behaviour, how can anyone really conclude what the police force is really like overall?

But the media is more accessible now than ever and it is reporting on important matters - and that infuses individual experiences.

It extends to civilian workers too. I read the other day about the police force who used a high five Top Gun GIF and #Teamwork in a tweet where they announced they found a dead body of a woman. The poor mother of that woman was absolutely distraught and they put out two more similar tweets. That’s communications staff thinking it’s acceptable. I only knew because the media reported on it. It doesn’t make it any less awful. The toxicity has seeped into every corner of the organisation. It’s terrifying as a member of the public.

Hereinthismoment · 13/07/2023 10:31

WeetabixTowels · 13/07/2023 10:23

That is MN all over though isn’t it 😂 rule no 1 - always stick the boot into an OP.

Totally Grin

There are problems with the police dating back decades though @vivainsomnia , and it isn’t all to do with media. Not sure what the OP does in the police, but like I say, having a dogmatic view on either side of ‘eroes or sex offenders isn’t helpful.

vivainsomnia · 13/07/2023 10:43

But the media is more accessible now than ever and it is reporting on important matters - and that infuses individual experiences
I don't agree with this statement at all. Media's nowadays feeds on sensational headings because that's what people click on. It ends up giving a massively distorted views of reality. This is why many people think everything in society is black and dreadful when the reality is that the vast majority of people do just fine.

There are problems with the police dating back decades though
Of course there are, and it shouldn't be dismissed. My point is that the Media paint a very dark view of everything in society and people buy it all leasing to generalisation. It then becomes a vicious circle.

OneTC · 13/07/2023 10:44

The stuff i read about them does inform a part of my opinion of course. Dealing with them week in week out reinforces it though

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 13/07/2023 11:13

I've met enough rotten police to wonder how all of the so called good apples stay and put up with them in good conscience.

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And in response to "there's bad apples in every walk of life " ... unfortunately this is one of the walks of life where bad apples are in one of the biggest positions of trust within society. Any abuse of power is so much worse.

It remind me in some way of the army. When I was a kid my dad served and between the ages of 13-17 I was assaulted three times. Different men from different regiments/battalions (2 whilst stationed on a popular holiday/party island). I didn't report it tell anyone apart from cost girlfriends all who had experienced similar. There was no point as incidents were always brushed under the carpet. The third was a senior official who way out ranked my dad so that would have been pointless too. In parts it's toxic masculinity at its worst, closing ranks immediately. Boys will be boys, letting off steam and all that.

So yes my experience was quite at odds with the often heard "our heroes " mantra

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 13/07/2023 11:16

Papernotplastic · 12/07/2023 21:53

It’s not ‘a few bad apples.’ That just doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. It’s dozens and dozens of them and an environment where their attitudes are tolerated and even encouraged and no one speaks out.

That doesn’t mean that the police can’t do some brilliant work on a daily basis. We have a police force that are trained to de-escalate situations. The killing of the teenager in France recently by armed French police made me appreciate how much more professional and capable our police are. I’ve never seen our police, armed or unarmed, not take proper control of a situation and let it escalate like that.

It’s possible to appreciate some of the things they do and not have faith in them as an institution. I wouldn’t look to them for anything more than a crime reference number for an insurance claim. I wouldn’t report an assault, rape or sexual assault to them unless it was by an absolute stranger and I was stone cold sober.

This

PowerBMI · 13/07/2023 11:51

Where do anyone say all police officers are rapists though?

No one did. But we do know the police as an institution cover up for their own. They allow police officers to abuse the public and get away with it.

It’s systemic so the people who are the rapists and abusers are allowed to continue, openly, to do so. There’s a culture of it.

That doesn’t mean the Police are all awful. Doesn’t mean they do a good job in some respects. But it also doesn’t mean people need to overlook the huge issues because they also do a good job at some things and some of them are good people.

vivainsomnia · 13/07/2023 12:02

Dealing with them week in week out reinforces it though
Which is totally fair enough, but no more than those who have posted with similar level of interactions with the police and have claimed that these were very positive.

It’s systemic so the people who are the rapists and abusers are allowed to continue, openly, to do so. There’s a culture of it
That's a massive generalisation. It might be true but where do you get your information from to make it an affirmation. Again, if it is the media, it's not a reliable source to make these stories a generalisation of the entire force.

Darkandstormynite · 13/07/2023 12:37

vivainsomnia · 13/07/2023 12:02

Dealing with them week in week out reinforces it though
Which is totally fair enough, but no more than those who have posted with similar level of interactions with the police and have claimed that these were very positive.

It’s systemic so the people who are the rapists and abusers are allowed to continue, openly, to do so. There’s a culture of it
That's a massive generalisation. It might be true but where do you get your information from to make it an affirmation. Again, if it is the media, it's not a reliable source to make these stories a generalisation of the entire force.

To answer your last point suggest you have a look at the following report, Baroness Casey (2033). The key findings of Baroness Casey’s report which included:

  • The Met Police (MPS) was failing women and children.
  • Frontline policing had been deprioritised and degraded after a decade of austerity.
  • There was institutional racism, sexism and homophobia inside the organisation in terms of how officers and staff were treated, and outside the organisation in terms of how communities were policed.
  • The MPS was unable to police itself.

This resource is definitely worth looking at for those who think the media is exaggerating:

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/police-standards-and-culture-restoring-public-trust/#heading-5

https://www.met.police.uk/cy-GB/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/met/about-us/baroness-casey-review/update-march-2023/baroness-casey-review-press-notice.pdf

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