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To show you what the police actually face in the course of their duty

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baggiesmalls · 12/07/2023 20:40

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This is already in the public domain .

I see a lot of negative comments about police and some of it , rightly so.

But this sums up for me what the job is about .
And why normal everyday men and women , like me , join the police service .

The bravery shown here is commendable .

Thanks for taking the time to watch .

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Naunet · 13/07/2023 12:45

vivainsomnia · 13/07/2023 10:24

I can't help but wonder if the narrative around the Police force would be as it is the media didn't feed on any stories then can grab on to make generalisation because let's face it, sensationalism brings the dish and a lot of it.

Would the police have the same terrible reputation if it only came down to people's own experience?

Of course there have been awful cases of the Police acting inappropriate and causing the most dreadful crime.

As we know that the media will pick up every single case that becomes a mean to lynch the police force whilst only very occasionally bothering to mention cases of heroic behaviour, how can anyone really conclude what the police force is really like overall?

Are you asking if we would have the same attitude to the police if their level of institutional misogyny and racism, had been hidden form the public? If the press didn’t report on cases like Wayne Couzens but instead helped the police cover it up, hide it from public view? Well obviously many people would be ignorant to it, so thank god we do know.

cockerhooping · 13/07/2023 12:47

@baggiesmalls

The first time I watched this I felt hugely emotional as a mother of a serving response officer.

Yes there has been awful abuse of power and institutional problems that are taking far too long to address but the day to day bravery is overlooked all too often.

All these officers risked their lives to save that woman and her children's lives. No misogyny from any of them as they tackled an armed and dangerous man. And even when one of them was receiving treatment for his knife wound he continued to put the safety of the public at the forefront.

PowerBMI · 13/07/2023 12:55

vivainsomnia · 13/07/2023 12:02

Dealing with them week in week out reinforces it though
Which is totally fair enough, but no more than those who have posted with similar level of interactions with the police and have claimed that these were very positive.

It’s systemic so the people who are the rapists and abusers are allowed to continue, openly, to do so. There’s a culture of it
That's a massive generalisation. It might be true but where do you get your information from to make it an affirmation. Again, if it is the media, it's not a reliable source to make these stories a generalisation of the entire force.

Because I come from what was a police family. No anymore. The people of my generation that joined all left because of the culture.

My brother, a mixed race man, feels he faced more racism in the police force from other officers that at any point during his life so far.

It also come from closely involved into a complaint that’s been ongoing for years and keeps the throwing up more and details of a cover up. Including an attempted cover up of a police officer who was prosecuted for having child sex abuse photos

Then look at the recent report that was done. Let’s look at the amount of police officers that have scores of domestic violence and sexual deviancy complaints against them.

Let’s also look at the female officers who came forward with their personal experiences.

Let’s look at cases like Banaz Mahmod. The police officer she asked for help from who called her dramatic and manipulative. Do we think that was racisim or sexism or a bit of both? That officer didn’t even get reprimanded and later got promoted. It’s systemic

But carry on assuming everyone’s knowledge comes from the media and assume you have superior knowledge an experience than everyone else.

Just like the Police force, you might want to have a think about something. If you have to presume peoples views must not come from experience or a place of knowledge and you feel the need to assume they must not know what they are talking about, to make yourself seem right….you have a have a huge problem with your thought processes

chooseanother · 13/07/2023 13:17

I watched the video as requested OP. And of course these are high risk and traumatic experiences, but I'm unmoved I'm afraid. This is the job they sign up for, as do paramedics, military etc.

The police are at the forefront of protecting people and so when they commit the very acts they are supposed to protect us from, or at least apprehend, it erodes public trust in "the police". The culture of your own force is irrelevant.

The CC of the force in the area I live in is female. If my car was flagged down by a male police officer whether alone or with another male at night, I would not in a million years get out of the car.

You wear the uniform of "the police". The trust just isn't there

WeetabixTowels · 13/07/2023 15:12

Naunet · 13/07/2023 12:45

Are you asking if we would have the same attitude to the police if their level of institutional misogyny and racism, had been hidden form the public? If the press didn’t report on cases like Wayne Couzens but instead helped the police cover it up, hide it from public view? Well obviously many people would be ignorant to it, so thank god we do know.

Exactly this.

The media aren’t whipping non-problems into a frenzy. There’re reporting on current events - which is a very alarming look at how police forces are deeply problematic

Castlerock44 · 13/07/2023 15:24

The police very often will not even bother to come out. Burglaries, muggings, assaults.....you could wait a long time for them.
Apparently only just over 5% of crimes result in an actual charge now.

Also 1 in every 100 police officers have faced a criminal charge. Thats far too many imo.

Felix125 · 13/07/2023 16:51

Migrainehaterforlife · Today 01:41
I am a police officer, joined as soon as I could after leaving school.........

It sounds very similar to our shift.

Our shift and those shifts around us work well together and i have never experienced anything untoward from any of them.

We are all too busy and just dash from one job to the next, similar to your experiences - the only WhatsApp messages we have relate to who is bringing in the milk!

Felix125 · 13/07/2023 16:55

Castlerock44 · Today 15:24
The police very often will not even bother to come out. Burglaries, muggings, assaults.....you could wait a long time for them.
Apparently only just over 5% of crimes result in an actual charge now.

Depends on the crime, but there are lots of reasons for this - most criminals are a lot more savvy and are forensically aware.

You find that most cops are tied up with safeguarding issues now - which is why you quickly run out of resources when trying to attend burglaries, muggings, assaults etc

BadDecisionsMade · 13/07/2023 19:16

baggiesmalls · 12/07/2023 21:59

I would like people to watch the video .
It's not "one cop" being brave

It's an entire team including a woman officer .

A man is holding his ex hostage in a bedroom with a knife at her throat while her two tiny children are cradled by her m
The suspect has set fire to the children's mattress.
He is threatening to cut her throat .

He has blocked the stairs with furniture.

What would you do faced with that ?

Why do you keep repeating yourself?
I watched the video. It’s police doing their job. So what? I work on a mental health ward and see nursing staff dealing with extreme violence without weapons or powers. They don’t need to post videos and say, look at how brave we are!

BadDecisionsMade · 13/07/2023 19:25

Mookie81 · 13/07/2023 08:05

Piss off with your bollocks sob story you've trotted out now you're getting your arse handed to you.
As a mixed race school DSL you can stick your 'kiddy porn' and 'coloured' terminology up your arse.
Stop denying people's experiences, and that fact you changed the way you speak and use disgusting phrases to 'fit in' shows your lack of character and integrity and I wouldn't trust you to hold any of your colleagues to account.

Well said.

Pleasedontpassmeby · 13/07/2023 20:47

baggiesmalls · 12/07/2023 23:04

Can I just point out I work in ex pit villages up north .

Not the Home Counties .

People here do not understand police speak . Being from a rather cosmopolitan bit city that's got a reputation for being a bit posh I learned to use the language I hear around me and swear - a lot .

Because that's the environment I work in . Ex pit villages . Northern . They didn't like my posh accent or my inability to use local language initially so now I say "eh up" like a local and swear without flinching.

That's the reality of where I work . I relate to my audience . I relate to the people I work with in the community I work in . I forget Mumsnet is full of middle class women who
Haven't heard any northern terms .

I saw a Catherine rate sketch the other day about an agency nanny being from "The North" and the horror that instilled .

Soz .!

Report of two police officers recieving bravery award in my local paper today.
I wish to inform the OP that we understand "police talk"only too well.Miners(ex pit),sexually abused girls and football fans - JFT97 - have long memories

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