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To be absolutely disgusted at DS?

472 replies

Cath60 · 12/07/2023 15:45

Where to even start with this? At the start, I suppose? DS, now 28, broke up with his partner, now 27, about a year and a half ago. She was absolutely devastated at the time. For all of us it came virtually out of nowhere. We knew he was depressed (my FIL died and he was hating his uni course he'd left his job for), but didn't see it coming. He said he just saw her as a friend, and that was it. His ex-partner took a while to accept the situation. The way she described it to me at the time was it was like her life was falling apart. She'd moved to be with DS, they'd bought a house together (and at the time wasn't in a position buy again because her job was zero hours) and very much saw my family as her's - she absolutely doted on my granddaughter (probably babysat the most, after me and DH). For the rest of the family, it was really sad. We absolutely loved her - she'd been really good for DS (and was the first relationship he'd had that had got to 6 months), but we'd rather it end than continue a relationship like that, when they were both so young. She did wrap her head around it and had a bit of a rebound fling while they were selling the house (good for her!). DS also started seeing a girl from his course - which I thought was a bit quick, but he seemed happy.

DS and ex-partner both still lived together in the house while they were selling it and got on, and kept in touch after they sold and she moved back home. I've exchanged the occasional message with her and she popped in on the way back from a work event to pick some bits DS had accidentally packed with his things. She seems to be getting on really well - she managed to buy a new house and has been with her new boyfriend for about 9 months.

I bumped into her the other day, while out shopping. We ended up going for a coffee and a catch-up. I showed her photos of my granddaughter and she commented on how big she'd got. I did tell her I thought it was for the best, what happened. Both DS and her seem happier than they were, and it wasn't like it was anyone's fault. She then pulled a face. After a bit of prodding, she then said there was something she thought I should know. She said there was "overlap" between the new girlfriend, and her. DS had been seeing the new girlfriend for the last few months of his relationship with his ex-partner. I absolutely believe her, not because I assume he'd do that, but because I'd never believe in a million years she'd make it up. She said he called her a month or so after they'd sold the house and told her the truth out of guilt. They were still friends at that point, they'd still been in fairly regular contact at that point. She said he told her she was his best friend and couldn't continue lying to her. The only contact they had after that was sorting out closing their joint current account.

I've never been so angry with him in my entire life. I can't believe he did that to that poor girl. She uprooted her life for him, barely saw family and friends for years to be with him, we had basically adopted her into our family and he does that to her? Obviously, I'm also very unhappy with the girlfriend too - she knew DS was in a committed relationship. He doesn't know I know. I haven't even told DH because he'll go absolutely ballistic at them both.

OP posts:
BumWhisperers · 12/07/2023 17:16

YANBU some people, as seen on this thread, think cheating isnt a big deal, and others, like me, and OP, find it reprehensible and a serious character flaw

WildUnchartedWaters · 12/07/2023 17:16

THisbackwithavengeance · 12/07/2023 17:15

Many mumsnetters would happily bring back the death penalty for the horrendous crime of cheating on your DP so this is the wrong place to seek dispassionate advice.

Would you rather your DS have stayed with his XP for the rest of his life even though he didn't love her and wasn't happy?

Yet every single post bar mine and maybe 2 others has been spiteful and personal to her, even though shes showing kindness amd compassion to a woman she feels her son has wronged. Bizarre.

EarringsandLipstick · 12/07/2023 17:16

I get being disappointed in his behaviour. I'd be the same.

However, at this point he was 26 or so! His choices are just that - his! It also seems like he's had the maturity to reflect & tell the ex, which is something.

If it were a marriage or where DC were involved, I could understand the anger.

If it were me, I might discuss it with my DS, and perhaps say how I felt but I can't imagine being angry to the extent you describe. He hasn't behaved well but take a step back, don't judge him & don't be so enmeshed (I think the coffee & poring over your DS' relationship with his ex is really odd & unfair to DS)

Cath60 · 12/07/2023 17:17

THisbackwithavengeance · 12/07/2023 17:15

Many mumsnetters would happily bring back the death penalty for the horrendous crime of cheating on your DP so this is the wrong place to seek dispassionate advice.

Would you rather your DS have stayed with his XP for the rest of his life even though he didn't love her and wasn't happy?

When they did break up, I was under the impression that there just wasn't the right feelings there anymore. I was sad about them breaking up, but thought it was for the best. I didn't want either of them in a relationship like that.

OP posts:
ErniesGhostlyGoldTops · 12/07/2023 17:18

I'm glad my parents weren't party to some of my behaviour as a younger person. An awful lot of it does not stand up to close scrutiny but those were my decisions to make. I'm where I am and who I am as a result. Wouldn't change much to be honest.

There might be an element neither of them are telling you OP. Assume there is and stop thinking about it.

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/07/2023 17:18

@MammaTo

Yeah this might be why I’m so confused by people saying she’s over stepped. My partner is completely intergrated into my family life and vice versa.

Yeah and that is understandable with an established marriage/partnership or one with children but we are talking here about a youngish couple who dated, lived together for a bit and then sadly split up. It’s sad but it happens.

I think at the point when a child chooses someone they ostensibly want to spend the rest of their life with and create a family with being involved is natural. But I see a lot of posts on here from mothers of adult children who are trying (consciously or otherwise) to shape their children’s love lives in a direction which the mother deems the right one. I think it’s inappropriate, shortsighted and likely to create resentment on the part of the child.

WeetabixTowels · 12/07/2023 17:19

I agree with others that you need to keep out and keep your allegiance with your son. Everyone has come out relatively unscathed, and whilst cheating isn’t terrible, you can’t expect him to stay in an unhappy relationship just because you like his girlfriend?

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 12/07/2023 17:20

BumWhisperers · 12/07/2023 17:16

YANBU some people, as seen on this thread, think cheating isnt a big deal, and others, like me, and OP, find it reprehensible and a serious character flaw

I don't think anyone has said cheating is no big deal.

But OP only has one side of the story. We have no idea what was going on in their relationship or even if she was faithful herself.

Aaaaandbreathe · 12/07/2023 17:20

THisbackwithavengeance · 12/07/2023 17:15

Many mumsnetters would happily bring back the death penalty for the horrendous crime of cheating on your DP so this is the wrong place to seek dispassionate advice.

Would you rather your DS have stayed with his XP for the rest of his life even though he didn't love her and wasn't happy?

No, it's the underhandedness that is the issue. It's never nice to realise your child has been sneaky and lied to someone they claimed to love. I would be so disappointed.

He should have left if he was unhappy and not cheated. No one should stay in a relationship they're not happy in but they should be honest about it.

5128gap · 12/07/2023 17:22

WildUnchartedWaters · 12/07/2023 17:01

This is one of the strangest threads I've seen yet. Blindly defending the young man and criticising Op for being upset and disappointed.

I assume all you parents of daughters wont be upset and angry on your daughters behalf when they're cheated on then, as it's not your business and you should 'get a hobby'

Many people are posting with the OPs interests at heart. Its all very well egging her on to think her son is the devil incarnate, and she should go in all guns blazing, afire with her own sense of morality, when the sensible amongst us can see this could do serious damage to her relationship with her son.
OP may not care. She may put her principles ahead of her relationship with him, but I think most people are just offering her another perspective so she at least has some balance.

MammaTo · 12/07/2023 17:22

@Cath60 it sounds like you’ve been a lovely MIL to this girl and she’s felt she had a nice enough connection with you to share what had happened.
My own MIL would be the same and we get on really well. I think this comes with having a close family which seems few and far between these days.

Aaaaandbreathe · 12/07/2023 17:22

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 12/07/2023 17:20

I don't think anyone has said cheating is no big deal.

But OP only has one side of the story. We have no idea what was going on in their relationship or even if she was faithful herself.

FGS we are all going on what OP has said and she is going on what she knows/has been told. No reason to make up stories to defend a cheat, jeez.

MollysBrolly · 12/07/2023 17:23

Isnt it better that your son is happy and with someone he wants to be with rather than staying with a woman because you like her?
he cheated it's not the end of the world. His ex was hurt understandably but it's not your business. They've both moved on with life.
As for being disgusted I think it's a massive overreaction on your part.

SpongeBob2022 · 12/07/2023 17:23

If it were my DS I would just have an open conversation with him. Calm and chatty and not a 'telling off'. Tell him you bumped into her and she told you this. Say you felt disappointed in him, get his side and ask him why, given the difficult break up at the time and the fact you appear close, he didn't feel able to tell you. Then agree to put it behind you, move on and stay out of it.

I would just be normal with the current girlfriend.

I don't think you're unreasonable. I would feel the same. But I think I'm somewhere in the middle of the comments here. It's a huge overreaction to go 'ballistic' but I would find it really odd to ignore it completely now that you know.

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 12/07/2023 17:24

Aaaaandbreathe · 12/07/2023 17:22

FGS we are all going on what OP has said and she is going on what she knows/has been told. No reason to make up stories to defend a cheat, jeez.

I'm not making up anything?

I'm saying we don't know what happened, so going "ballistic" (OP's own words) is a bit OTT.

WildUnchartedWaters · 12/07/2023 17:24

5128gap · 12/07/2023 17:22

Many people are posting with the OPs interests at heart. Its all very well egging her on to think her son is the devil incarnate, and she should go in all guns blazing, afire with her own sense of morality, when the sensible amongst us can see this could do serious damage to her relationship with her son.
OP may not care. She may put her principles ahead of her relationship with him, but I think most people are just offering her another perspective so she at least has some balance.

I'm not egging her on, I just think shes right.

OP is angry and disgusted and I think she has every right to be.

threecupsofteaminimum · 12/07/2023 17:25

If this is real I'll tell you a story, christ!

My ex MIL didn't give a shit when her darling arsehole of a son left me after I uprooted and moved across the country to be with him and paid off all his debts (which turned out to be his dads gambling debts she didn't know about ) as well as paying for our wedding and flat.

He left me after I miscarried and scuttled back home to his mummy and daddy and I never heard from them again! I think you need to get a life. What he's done is not nearly a fraction as bad as what I dealt with and not one member of my family offered me any support, I just got "well YOU married him"

threecupsofteaminimum · 12/07/2023 17:25

Thats really outing but fuck it.

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 12/07/2023 17:26

WildUnchartedWaters · 12/07/2023 17:24

I'm not egging her on, I just think shes right.

OP is angry and disgusted and I think she has every right to be.

Nobody has said she can't be angry or disgusted, though.

They're saying it's not her place to go ballistic at her son for something that happened 18 months ago, especially when she only has one side of the story and both her DS and his ex have moved on.

WeetabixTowels · 12/07/2023 17:27

WildUnchartedWaters · 12/07/2023 17:24

I'm not egging her on, I just think shes right.

OP is angry and disgusted and I think she has every right to be.

Given the OP wasn’t the one cheated on, she doesn’t have a right to anything.

Aaaaandbreathe · 12/07/2023 17:27

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 12/07/2023 17:24

I'm not making up anything?

I'm saying we don't know what happened, so going "ballistic" (OP's own words) is a bit OTT.

I meant you suggesting the ex was unfaithful when there has been nothing posted to even hint towards that.

Man cheats - woman must have done something to warrant it or has done the same herself.

@MollysBrolly I think disgusted is not OTT, unless you are fine with being cheated on? Then your perception might be a bit skewed.

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/07/2023 17:29

OP is angry and disgusted and I think she has every right to be.

That may be true but having a huge go at him about it when she only has half the facts is very likely to backfire.

The OP’s relationship with her son is for life, the relationship with this woman is not. And while his behaviour may have been reprehensible it won’t help for her to so obviously take sides against him.

I also think as a general principle it’s pretty unhealthy to be this embedded in the sex/romantic lives of your children. By definition these are things which you can’t understand, let alone control and shouldn’t seek to control.

Cath60 · 12/07/2023 17:29

MammaTo · 12/07/2023 17:22

@Cath60 it sounds like you’ve been a lovely MIL to this girl and she’s felt she had a nice enough connection with you to share what had happened.
My own MIL would be the same and we get on really well. I think this comes with having a close family which seems few and far between these days.

Maybe that is part of the difference in comments? We are a very close family. My DD only lives around the corner and I took early retirement to look after her DD when she was working. I regularly see my DB and his partner, DH's sister and her DS and wife. When DS was still with his ex-partner, we would have them over a couple nights a week for their tea. I have seen less of him in the last 18 months, which I put down to the new girlfriend's family actually being nearby.

OP posts:
WeetabixTowels · 12/07/2023 17:30

I also think as a general principle it’s pretty unhealthy to be this embedded in the sex/romantic lives of your children

Yes I did think ‘ick’ when she mentioned the ‘good for her’ fling but her son having an actual relationship was ‘too fast’

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 12/07/2023 17:30

Aaaaandbreathe · 12/07/2023 17:27

I meant you suggesting the ex was unfaithful when there has been nothing posted to even hint towards that.

Man cheats - woman must have done something to warrant it or has done the same herself.

@MollysBrolly I think disgusted is not OTT, unless you are fine with being cheated on? Then your perception might be a bit skewed.

I wasn't meaning to imply that she must have done something wrong.

I just don't see the benefit in OP going in all-guns-blazing when she only has one side of the story and all this happened 18 months ago, especially when both parties have moved on from the whole thing.

I personally don't see why the ex felt the need to tell OP all this 18 months down the line though Confused

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