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My brother says I shouldn’t ask ExH or his family for money when I don't ask them

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TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

OP posts:
MrsRachelDanvers · 12/07/2023 14:10

Why is this your brother’s business? Tell him to butt out.

Dixiechickonhols · 12/07/2023 14:13

The grandparents sound lovely and your dd obviously has a lovely relationship with them. She must enjoy chatting away to them and them asking her about her hobbies. It sounds like they ask in a sensible way so if there was a reason you didn’t want her to go you could say thanks but no thanks. Why shouldn’t they treat her?

Fruitbatdancer · 12/07/2023 14:19

Your brother is a knob. So is his wife.

thank god for good, loving, grandparents.

Pinkfluff76 · 12/07/2023 14:23

none of their business

BeverlyHa · 12/07/2023 14:25

your brother does not have a say what your ex husband and biological dad of the girls do. your brother to mind his own kids and his own expenses.

OrigamiOwls · 12/07/2023 14:26

Your brother needs to pipe down.

huntingcunting · 12/07/2023 14:30

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC

What a dick he is. As is his wife.
It has FUCK ALL to do with them.
They are childfree , as am I, so I don't know why they are pontificating like this. I can bet that if they did have children and split, the one who had the children full time would go after the other for CM, straight away, and be asking for additional money towards extra-curricular activities.
They need to get to fuck - both of them.

Tell him to fuck off that his opinion is not welcome and to mind his own business. Every single time he starts.

I'm raging. He's such a massive knob.

Tanith · 12/07/2023 14:31

"Thank you for your uninformed opinion. I shall take great pleasure in ignoring it."

GritGoes4th · 12/07/2023 14:32

Granny and Grandpa want to treat their dc. That's lovely. Even if your dd straight up asks her gp - that's ok. If she takes it with good grace if they need to say no.

Your db is an arse and your SIL should see the red flags waving over her head, if she is considering dc.

You mentioned a CMS claim? Pursue the hell out of that! Your ex needs to pay for his child, regardless of what his parents choose to contribute.

Wenfy · 12/07/2023 14:32

I think you need to stop letting your brother and his wife talk to you about how you parent your daughter. They don’t have kids - there’s no value to taking their opinions to heart. Just remind them that she’s your daughter and how you parent her is not up for discussion.

Naddd · 12/07/2023 14:32

Your brother is a frickin idiot!

How does this affect him at all?

If gp's are happy to pay n Can afford it what's the issue.

Same for the rest of it he's a frickin idiot

Wenfy · 12/07/2023 14:35

I should point out my own DB and sil had lots of opinions about childcare and how it should be parents (not grandparents) doing it. Yet he and sil had kids they were farmed out to one of three sets of grandparents from 1 week old. At 6 mths my eldest nephew only stayed with his parents for 2 nights a week!

RedTedBoom · 12/07/2023 14:36

Honestly tell your brother to mind his own business - grandparents like to help (if they can) & if like you say they are not favouring anyone.
To put it another way, I am a widow, should my late husband's parents not give/buy anything for their grandchildren......

AncientBallerina · 12/07/2023 14:42

So your brother would like to deprive your daughter of some fun and her grandparents the joy of being able to give her this? For what exactly?
i would be telling him to mind his own business (or just grey rock/smile, nod and ignore) Also I’d be spending less time with him. He doesn’t have you or your daughter’s best interests at heart and sounds like he trying to control you.

Ididntknowuntiliknew · 12/07/2023 14:51

Your brother is clearly someone who revels in judging other people. Is he close to your ex? Something is motivating his odd judgements, which would be to your detriment if followed.

I'm more concerned that you would consider following his advice.

My Mum judges everyone, and is a control freak. She seems to think that everyone else is always wrong, and she has the ultimate authority on their personal choices. Even people she doesn't know, concerning situations in her imagination.
I used to try to please her. I tied myself in knots over it. Ultimately, I started to put boundaries in place.

Recently, I gave her a lift somewhere. She told me that I was driving the wrong way, and she sounded furious.
I don't get angry and upset anymore. She's elderly, and does need me.
I just disagree now, and change the subject.

He needs to understand that you are her parent, and are looking after her interests.
Your relationship with ex ILs sounds fantastic.
Don't question yourself. You seem to be doing a great job using your own intuition!

JudgeRudy · 12/07/2023 14:54

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 12/07/2023 13:45

This is such a good example of how some people on here just. Can't. Read. Astonishing.

I can read, I just didn't remember the exact details of the OP after I'd read replies inbetween. So it's brother and SIL, not sister and BIL. Outcome is the same.
Funnily enough I've just been 'told off' for reposting the OP in my response to another post. I did that specifically so it was 'handy ' to refer to many pages into the thread.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/07/2023 14:56

Tanith · 12/07/2023 14:31

"Thank you for your uninformed opinion. I shall take great pleasure in ignoring it."

Oooh, I love this! Hope you don't mind if I tuck it away for future use.

And I have a friend with a nosy and bossy relative. I'm passing it on to her, too.

Thatsridiculous · 12/07/2023 14:56

Wonder if your SIL would think the same if she had to leave your brother. Ignore them, it is none of their business. And tell them that if it comes up again.

Personally I think it’s really kind that they pay. If you are happy with the arrangement and feel that they generally have a positive influence on DD‘s life then why not?

I hope that when I am a grandparent that I will also be in a position to help my children / grandchildren if they need help.

MrsSquirrel · 12/07/2023 14:58

It's that rare thing - a unanimous response on AIBU 😂

saraclara · 12/07/2023 15:01

Funnily enough I've just been 'told off' for reposting the OP in my response to another post. I did that specifically so it was 'handy ' to refer to many pages into the thread.

It drives me mad when people repost OPs. If you want to put it in the reply box to refer to while you type your response, fair enough. But then delete it before you press send..

Posters who repost a very long OP and then post a two line response of their own would be given a time or or something if I owned mumsnet 😂

Noicant · 12/07/2023 15:02

I don’t think he understands maths, responsibility for child or common sense. Are you telling me if he had kids his wife would be happy for him to ditch her with the kids with no financial contribution as long as he sees them a few days a week? Like literally not a penny!? More fool her.

ItsNotWhatItsNot · 12/07/2023 15:04

@JudgeRudy i think PPs post about your reading comprehension was relating to the fact it’s OPs abusive ex parents. Not her and her brothers parents.

Blogswife · 12/07/2023 15:11

Tell your brother to mind his own business . Your husband is financially responsible for his DC and 4 nights is not shared parental care .
Your DD grandparents most probably want to contribute, especially as their DS is shirking his responsibilities.
Ignore your brother , he’s no idea what he’s talking about and certainly doesn’t have the right to tell you what to do where parenting is concerned .

Ohitsajollyholiday · 12/07/2023 15:11

I think it’s very easy for your brother and his wife to imagine a perfect, amicable life post theoretical divorce with theoretical children!

They’ve absolutely no business getting involved. Besides which, it doesn’t sound as if you’re demanding anything from your ex’s family - they are willingly contributing.

If it helps you and your DD - what does it matter?

pontipinemum · 12/07/2023 15:12

Your brother is an idiot!

Your DD get to have her trips, her GPs get to spend their money on someone they love and seeing her happy I would imagine give them great pleasure.

Let them keep paying. They sound like lovely GPs