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My brother says I shouldn’t ask ExH or his family for money when I don't ask them

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TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

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Peacoffee · 12/07/2023 12:20

Pastlast · 12/07/2023 12:19

How much are brownie camps theses days?! Unless they’ve gone up massively from when mine were doing this type of thing then you’ve basically got a man who resents his parents shelling out £30 to £60 on their granddaughter occasionally. Ask him in all seriousness if he’s worried that’s going to impact his inheritance.

what a dick. And also he should but put with his random opinions.

Nope, even worse it’s OP’s brother who resents the child’s paternal grandparents paying for it.

Rainbowqueeen · 12/07/2023 12:20

Your brother should be embarrassed to hold these views. Hope someone comes along with an appropriate response for you to shut him down.

You are a fabulous mum and your ex in laws are fantastic grandparents. Brother needs to shut up

murasaki · 12/07/2023 12:21

The grandparents sound lovely, and it's none of your brother's business. Stop telling him things.

FeeFiFoFumble · 12/07/2023 12:21

Your brother is an arse and should keep his weird and irrelevant opinions to himself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with grandparents helping out financially if that's what they want to do! It sounds like they are lovely, caring and respectful grandparents and that you and your daughter are lucky to have them in your life. Keep doing what you're doing. As long as you don't rely on them financially and expect them to help you out, you're all good.

WhoHidTheCoffee · 12/07/2023 12:22

Ah yes. The expert parent. I found it a lot easier to be an outstanding parent before I had any kids to get in the way of my grand plans.😂

Ignore him. It’s none of his business. Your DD is really lucky to have both you providing for her and supportive grandparents. (My DC only really have one set of grandparents and they also help out with ad hoc gifts, and it makes a big difference even though we have two incomes.)

euff · 12/07/2023 12:22

Your brother is childless. Childless people have a lot of opinions which change with the reality of children. Does receiving CM make up the difference if you were living together?

It's wonderful that her grandparents are able and willing to do this. They are her grandparents regardless of your relationship status and it's great that they and DD have a relationship. Would your brother have a problem if you were currently with your ex and the grandparents were doing these things?

It's good that you don't expect or ask but it not wrong to accept their help for your DD's benefit. Hopefully there is no pressure and you do not feel obligated. I would for myself want to know how DD is broaching with them so it doesn't look like you are pushing her that way or that she's outright asking them unless of course that's what they would like her to do so she doesn't miss out on these things.

willWillSmithsmith · 12/07/2023 12:23

Tell your brother to mind his own business and stop feeding him the info in the first place.

FooFighter99 · 12/07/2023 12:23

Is there any way you can go no contact with your brother? He's a toxic piece of shit who doesn't know what he's talking about!

Tell him to fuck right off and keep his nose out of your business, he has absolutely no clue how expensive having kids is.

And if DD's GPs want to help out then halle-fucking-lujah and good on them for being half-decent people who want her to have nice things and experiences

Would your brother prefer her to do nothing and go nowhere and be miserable?

Fucking wanker can you tell this has riled me up

Blobblobblob · 12/07/2023 12:23

Stop entertaining this.

It's nothing to do with your brother. Refuse to discuss it.

Look up JADE and stop doing it - it stands for justify, argue, defend, explain. It's a trap. You do not owe him an explanation so do not provide one.

Stop letting this awful man bully you and by extension your daughter. He's a terrible person for her to be around, you should drastically limit contact with him.

Waspie · 12/07/2023 12:25

Tell your bother to fuck off to the far side of fuck, and, when he gets there, to fuck off some more.

Alternatively, if potty mouth aggression isn't your thing, you could ask him why he thinks it's any of his business?

Of course it's not wrong for your child's family to pay for things if they would like to.

Spidey66 · 12/07/2023 12:25

Your brother is a wanker and needs to keep his beak out.

While your ex doesn’t sound great, his parents sound lovely and supportive and it sounds like you and your daughter have a great relationship with them which can only help her now and in the future.

Trickedbyadoughnut · 12/07/2023 12:26

The only response to your brother and SIL is f* off.

TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:26

Pastlast · 12/07/2023 12:19

How much are brownie camps theses days?! Unless they’ve gone up massively from when mine were doing this type of thing then you’ve basically got a man who resents his parents shelling out £30 to £60 on their granddaughter occasionally. Ask him in all seriousness if he’s worried that’s going to impact his inheritance.

what a dick. And also he should but put with his random opinions.

@Pastlast Not even mine and Brothers parents, it's Ex-PIL who pay. My parents couldn't afford to as much as they'd love to

Camps are usually £15-20 per night, and Choir Competitions are at most £60 a weekend, so we're talking £150 a year maximum if you discount the residential they've just paid for.

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Winter2020 · 12/07/2023 12:28

Your brother and sister in law don't have children and know nothing about how they would raise their own.

My sister and BIL were definitely not going to let their (hypothetical) child use an ipad and their child would eat whatever was put in front of them.

Their real children however do use ipads and doesn't eat whatever is put in front of them. Until you have kids you have no clue.

If Granny and Grandad are happy to pay for extra activities (and they are not controlling or abusive) it would be mean of you to not let your child take part.

Be grateful for caring/generous grandparents and tell your brother to butt out.

When they do have kids they will probably be seeking help from wherever they can find it!

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 12/07/2023 12:28

Tell your SIL to think very carefully about ever having children with your brother because he apparently thinks he can leave, see his kids 4 days a month and pay nothing towards their upkeep. She's in for a difficult time if her relationship breaks down.

Lacucuracha · 12/07/2023 12:28

With family like this, who needs enemies?

DB and SIL really don’t care about your or your dd.

happysoul23 · 12/07/2023 12:28

I hope your brother doesn't have kids and then break up with his wife.
He's an idiot and you know it.
Ignore him, it's none of his business, your finances are your business.
Of course your daughter should have the opportunity to do things, it probably brings her grandparents pleasure x

Whichclubisittonight · 12/07/2023 12:28

The most I would do is suggest to your DD that she not talk about stuff like that in front of your brother (not that she should have to) but you could tell her its because he doesnt understand or something. But if your DDs grandparents are happy to do it, then there is literally no harm in it.

Are they planning on having kids at any point? I would respond when he says something like that with something like "its easy to have strong opinions on parenting when youre not a parent." and laugh. But brush it off, and make the point every single time that its none of their business.

ExtraOnions · 12/07/2023 12:29

Your bother should mind his own Buisness.

There is something a bit uncomfortable about a child asking grandparents to pay for stuff .. I mean what are they supposed to say ?? They aren’t going to say “no”.

“grandma, it’s Brownie camp, but mum can’t afford to send me” what can they do?

I think it’s unfair for it to happen this way. They are paying, just via a request from a child

Why not just be a bit more upfront about it .. the grandparents sound like decent people, takes the discomfort out of it.

it will also mean that the only person who knows is you, and your brother can be told nothing.

Dillydollydingdong · 12/07/2023 12:29

Grandparents, including myself, enjoy doing things, buying things, funding things for our dgc. Tell your brother to mind his own business. See

sunshineandtea · 12/07/2023 12:29

Fatat40 · 12/07/2023 12:12

Your brother is a dick.

He clearly has no idea about kids or parenting or how to be a decent sister/person.

It's fabulous your DD is growing up with a supportive extended family. Your ex in laws sound great - facilitating their sons contact and also providing for his daughter in ways he doesn't. Your daughter can only benefit from this.

Ignore your twatty brother and perhaps reflect on if he treats you so badly in other ways?

This absolutely. Sounds like they're jealous, you and DD and ExH's family seem to have a wonderful setup despite the troubles in the past.

Well done to all of you for making life as nice as possible for DD.

Spidey66 · 12/07/2023 12:30

Ps it doesn’t sound like £££ anyway….Brownies camps and choir competitions is hardly on the scale of private education, trips to the Caribbean and designer clothing. Maybe the occasional £100 or something? It sounds like they can afford it and want to . They sound lovely people.

Hellofromtheotherslide · 12/07/2023 12:30

Your brother is a twat, hopefully his wife will see sense before she is left with it all to do herself!

InceyWinceySpidy · 12/07/2023 12:30

I mean I could see a teeny tiny tiny tiny bit why he would be annoyed if it was your parents. So he could do the whole "oh, you just get mum to fund things because you can't afford it, and I get nothing"...

But these are people who are nothing to do with him?? Is he harassing your ex, to let him know his own daughter shouldn't be partaking in activities that his mother wants to treat her too?

Yeah, didn't think so.

Tell him to take it up with ex if he doesn't like how his mum operates. Funnily enough, I don't think he'll be so happy to bully another man "Hey, let me tell you what's wrong with you as a parent and your mother"...

Just keep telling him to bring the issue up with ex. Until he gets the hint.

TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:30

euff · 12/07/2023 12:22

Your brother is childless. Childless people have a lot of opinions which change with the reality of children. Does receiving CM make up the difference if you were living together?

It's wonderful that her grandparents are able and willing to do this. They are her grandparents regardless of your relationship status and it's great that they and DD have a relationship. Would your brother have a problem if you were currently with your ex and the grandparents were doing these things?

It's good that you don't expect or ask but it not wrong to accept their help for your DD's benefit. Hopefully there is no pressure and you do not feel obligated. I would for myself want to know how DD is broaching with them so it doesn't look like you are pushing her that way or that she's outright asking them unless of course that's what they would like her to do so she doesn't miss out on these things.

@euff When I mentioned it to Ex-SIL (ExHs sister) she said that her parents like it when DD goes round excited about something, and it's the sort of thing they saved for their retirement, to treat their grandchildren. I do always say to DD "You're not to demand it from Granny and Grandpa" and I don't think she does, knowing DD it'll be literally "Choir are going to the beach to sing and I love the beach" so yes probably hinting.

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