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My brother says I shouldn’t ask ExH or his family for money when I don't ask them

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TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

OP posts:
JudgeRudy · 12/07/2023 15:13

ItsNotWhatItsNot · 12/07/2023 15:04

@JudgeRudy i think PPs post about your reading comprehension was relating to the fact it’s OPs abusive ex parents. Not her and her brothers parents.

Maybe, or both. Yes I read it quickly but my reply still makes sense whichever side the grandparents are on. The GPs are happy to treat their GD. The sibling and spouse should keep their (odd) opinions to themselves.

tunbridgeoutrage · 12/07/2023 15:16

saraclara · 12/07/2023 15:01

Funnily enough I've just been 'told off' for reposting the OP in my response to another post. I did that specifically so it was 'handy ' to refer to many pages into the thread.

It drives me mad when people repost OPs. If you want to put it in the reply box to refer to while you type your response, fair enough. But then delete it before you press send..

Posters who repost a very long OP and then post a two line response of their own would be given a time or or something if I owned mumsnet 😂

Oh no! I do that all the time.

nutbrownhare15 · 12/07/2023 15:17

Your brother and his wife know nothing and I would stop discussing finances with them. If they ask can you have a stock phrase such as 'I'm happy with the arrangements, let's talk about something else'. What's the dynamic with them in that they think they get to have an opinion on stuff like this? It's nothing to do with them and there's no reason why your DD should miss out because they've got such strange opinions.

ElectriciansMate · 12/07/2023 15:17

Grandmother here. I often pay for my grandchildren's outings, etc because a) I want them to have a good time, b) they shouldn't be denied because my arse of a son won't pay for it, c) I love them.
Please tell your brother to mind his own business.

elliejjtiny · 12/07/2023 15:17

Your brother is wrong. Many grandparents provide full time childcare and that is way more expensive than what your ex-h parents pay for.

Nevermind31 · 12/07/2023 15:18

You are grown up and therefore this is none of your brother’s business.
tell him to butt out of your affairs, and that fathers that think like him are the problem

londonmummy1966 · 12/07/2023 15:22

if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC.

I imagine in this scenario your SIL would be the resident parent so what your brother is effectively saying is that he would play Disney dad but do all he could to duck out of paying CM - what a prince.... OP I wouldn't waste 5 minutes considering the views of someone that irresponsible. Carry on with what you're doing, providing a lovely life for your daughter and facilitating a good relationship with her grandparents and a safe relationship with her father. You sound like a great mum so rely on your instincts and don't give your brother's opinion a second thought

DelphiniumBlue · 12/07/2023 15:24

Your brother sounds really unpleasant, and this is none of his business. In fact a decent brother would be offering to help out himself. Why does he resent DDs own grandparents helping out so she can have a nice childhood?

PrimalOwl10 · 12/07/2023 15:27

If you can't afford all the extras I'd say she's doing too much I can see there pov. However I also think it's very cheeky to get your dd to ask her grandparents. That's something that should be offered not asked. I never ask my inlaws to pay for anything for my dc and my and dh are together, my parents however have offered which is totally different.

saraclara · 12/07/2023 15:31

tunbridgeoutrage · 12/07/2023 15:16

Oh no! I do that all the time.

Go and sit in the naughty chair for half an hour and think hard about what you've done.

😂

Begonne · 12/07/2023 15:31

It strikes me as a little odd that you’re even giving this headspace. Which makes me wonder about your relationship with your db, and what it was like growing up.

Most of us have a mouthy relative or acquaintance whose opinions get filed away under “irrelevant”.

It’s none of his business, laughably ignorant — the only person who should be considering his words carefully is his unfortunate dw. But from your perspective surely this jackass isn’t someone whose good opinion is either relevant or desirable.

AgnesX · 12/07/2023 15:31

Tell your brother to keep his mouth shut about situations that he has no direct experience of. Your inlaws sound like decent types.

queenofthebooks87 · 12/07/2023 15:33

Your brother is an idiot and by the sounds of it has absolutely zero clue about raising a happy child. Ignore him. You sound like you are doing an amazing job, your daughter seems to have a lovely life with a hardworking Mum and grandparents who adore her.

DPotter · 12/07/2023 15:36

Well the law of the land is that non-residents parents are required to contribute to the cost of raising their children, let alone the moral responsibility.

It really is none of your brother's business - tell him this.

Your ex's parents sound a lovely set of grandparents. Is your brother worried that you're asking your parents for financial help. Not that this is his business either

WarmButteryCrumpets · 12/07/2023 15:39

Your brother and his wife are completely bonkers. On what planet do grandparents not spend money on treats for the kids? No matter what the relationship between the parents?

I agree it's possibly jealousy because they can't have kids? Or is he angry that you've managed to get out of a terrible relationship but still have some "perks" eg kindly grandparents on both sides, for your dd to benefit from? Maybe there's some kind of puritanical "you choose the wrong father for your child, so not you should suffer" attitude?!

transformandriseup · 12/07/2023 15:40

Wow, what is wrong with some people?

I saw a Facebook post the other day which said men who pay child support are all cucks and they should walk away and live their own life 😱

Mariposista · 12/07/2023 15:43

Her grandparents sound lovely! Ignore your brother!

Dixiechickonhols · 12/07/2023 15:45

Choir, Brownies and one school trip is hardly too much. Op pays for everything else it’s just a few extras.
Why should little girl miss out if grandparents are willing to pay. If they didn’t want to they wouldn’t. They love their grandchild and want to treat her.

WickedWitchOfTheEast87 · 12/07/2023 15:46

@TermTimeOnlyCantPay You're brother needs to keep his nose out and his mouth shut its got sweet f all to do with him. Next time he brings it up reply firmly "I don't remember asking YOU for YOUR opinion, rest assured if I do want it I'll ask you, in future mind your own business about my finances!" Rinse and repeat

SpringleDingle · 12/07/2023 15:46

Your brother is a dick and has no skin in this game so should mind his own business!

Your DDs father should contribute financially to her upkeep and CMS is there to determine the "fair" contribution. Her grandparents sound lovely and it is only what many grandparents everywhere do.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 12/07/2023 15:46

JudgeRudy · 12/07/2023 14:54

I can read, I just didn't remember the exact details of the OP after I'd read replies inbetween. So it's brother and SIL, not sister and BIL. Outcome is the same.
Funnily enough I've just been 'told off' for reposting the OP in my response to another post. I did that specifically so it was 'handy ' to refer to many pages into the thread.

Also it's the ex's parents not the OP's parents. So not really the same outcome.

Beautiful3 · 12/07/2023 15:52

Your brother is wrong, please ignore him. Your ex in laws sound lovely. They just want to make their grandchild happy, so let them.

fdgdfgdfgdfg · 12/07/2023 15:57

What's it got to do with your brother? Tell him his opinion is neither needed nor wanted and to butt out.

And then continue claiming as much as you are legally able to from your ex, and if Dad's grandparents want to fund this stuff, let them crack on!

Oldnproud · 12/07/2023 16:14

"Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help"

That sentence is another example of how crazy brother and sil's reasoning is.

They think it's fine to pay for things for people who could afford those things without help (and to accept money in those circumstances), but not OK if the recipient can't afford to do them.
Are they extreme right-wing tories, by any chance, who only want the rich to get richer, and the rest to go to Hell?

historyrepeatz · 12/07/2023 16:15

@TermTimeOnlyCantPay definitely listen to ex sil and tune out brother. If he does have children one day you can remind him he was an idiot!