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My brother says I shouldn’t ask ExH or his family for money when I don't ask them

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TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

OP posts:
Daffodilsandtuplips · 12/07/2023 16:23

And why this is your brothers business? It’s even less of his wife’s. The grandparents aren’t yours or his parents, (maternal) they are the child’s paternal grandparents so he’s nothing worry about inheritance wise. ( if your parents are still alive of course, forgive me if not)
If paternal granny and grandad want to treat her or pay for trips away it’s nothing at all to do with your brother. I think it’s sweet that she ‘earns’ it by doing little jobs, clever grandparents.

Dixiechickonhols · 12/07/2023 16:25

I really can’t fathom where he’s coming from. I could understand him saying her dad and ex’s family are awful people you don’t want to be taking money off the likes of them I’ll pay we ‘smiths’ look after our own we don’t need ‘Jones’ money type thing but it’s not that at all. He thinks a little girl should miss out.

LumpySpaceCow · 12/07/2023 16:28

Begonne · 12/07/2023 15:31

It strikes me as a little odd that you’re even giving this headspace. Which makes me wonder about your relationship with your db, and what it was like growing up.

Most of us have a mouthy relative or acquaintance whose opinions get filed away under “irrelevant”.

It’s none of his business, laughably ignorant — the only person who should be considering his words carefully is his unfortunate dw. But from your perspective surely this jackass isn’t someone whose good opinion is either relevant or desirable.

I agree with this, but also add - is your brother always such a dick? If so, I'd be going NC with him - his attitude and behaviour is vile. I imagine he's abusive towards you about other things that also don't concern him.

Don't give it any more headspace!

Redraddisho27 · 12/07/2023 16:29

Your brother sounds abusive.

LakeTiticaca · 12/07/2023 16:29

Your brother is a twat. Tell him to butt out.
Enjoy the fact that your DD has a strong relationship with her grandparents and they like spending money on her

CKL987 · 12/07/2023 16:30

Christ, your brother is absolutely deluded. I cannot begin to work out his logic

Countdown2023 · 12/07/2023 16:37

What lovely grandparents!

your brother &SIL, on the other hand, are so far up their own arseholes that the sun doesn’t shine

Daffodilsandtuplips · 12/07/2023 16:40

Sorry, I meant the grandparents aren’t even his parents, they are your ex’s parents so why is he bothered how much they spend on their granddaughter. He’s hard of thinking if he doesn’t realise they are treating their own granddaughter.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 12/07/2023 16:44

Tanith · 12/07/2023 14:31

"Thank you for your uninformed opinion. I shall take great pleasure in ignoring it."

@Tanith - that is the perfect response!

toffeeappleglow · 12/07/2023 16:48

Your brother needs to mind his own business, and I'd tell him so every time he offers unsolicited advice.

It has nothing to do with him. Sounds like he's jealous of your daughter, tbh!

caringcarer · 12/07/2023 17:04

It's none of your miserable opinionated brothers' business. If your DC grandparents want to pay for their dgc why shouldn't they? I pay for my dgc to have new shoes, coats, I helped towards expensive child care bill when they are at nursery, send them what they call ice cream money, pay towards hobbies and when there are school trips I'll offer to pay for those. As a granny I can tell you it's a pleasure to treat my dgc. Don't stop your child's dgp from contributing. They wouldn't offer to pay if they could not afford it.

caringcarer · 12/07/2023 17:10

Pity you can't divorce off your brother and SiL along with exh.

Hankunamatata · 12/07/2023 17:14

Grandparents sound lovely. Ignore brother

MrsMarzetti · 12/07/2023 17:24

What has it got to do with your brother? In fact why does he even know that your Daughters Grandparents pay for your Daughters trips ? Grandparents do what they want, if they didn't want to pay they wouldn't. I am sure they probably feel guilty about their sons behaviour so try to make your daughters life a little but more lovely.

TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 17:25

In terms of what I pay for:

Swimming is £30 a month, Brownies is £2.50 a week and Choir is free. I pay and get her to these.

Grandparents pay for Brownies camps or events (DD went to the cinema with Brownies recently which Ex-PILs paid for) and any none local choir competitions as we have to pay for the bus. It equates to about £150-200 a year if that. And if they stopped paying DD would still do the activities without the extras.

OP posts:
ItsNotWhatItsNot · 12/07/2023 17:28

You don’t need to list prices to anyone, ever, OP.

Rollinghill · 12/07/2023 17:37

Your brother has nothing to do with it. He is being unreasonable.

FictionalCharacter · 12/07/2023 17:39

ItsNotWhatItsNot · 12/07/2023 17:28

You don’t need to list prices to anyone, ever, OP.

Exactly what I was about to say. OP, just get your brother’s way of thinking out of your head, you don’t have to justify her grandparents’ contributions to him, MN or anyone else. Everyone here is saying he’s out of order, now you need to change your thinking so that you’re not so affected by what he thinks.

Testina · 12/07/2023 18:09

Grow a pair of ovaries and simply tell him it’s none of his business. I suspect the 1% of YABU are people voting that you’re unreasonable because you’re not doing exactly that.

Okaygoahead · 12/07/2023 18:17

I think you've had eleven pages of "your brother is a dick and should mind his own business" but I just want to add to that. Your brother is a dick and should mind his own business. Grandparents get to do what they want. Never listen to your brother about anything ever again.

LemonLymanDotCom · 12/07/2023 18:28

Yeah, I fail to see what the absolute hell your finances & daughters living costs have to do with your brother? That’s the issue at play here, nothing else

Merryoldgoat · 12/07/2023 18:31

You need to learn how to say ‘fuck off’. A lot.

ColdHandsHotHead · 12/07/2023 18:38

May I add ‘tell him to fuck off’? You don’t need to justify anything to him.

Sallyh87 · 12/07/2023 19:31

My MIL treats our DC to various things, it’s not asked for she just does it (she’s lovely). She is treating her GC not us. Why should that principle change because you aren’t with the dad anymore, they aren’t any less their grandchildren.

bobaloo · 12/07/2023 20:35

your brother needs to piss off. your in-laws sound lovely and I'm glad they get to enjoy a relationship with your daughter that makes them both happy.