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My brother says I shouldn’t ask ExH or his family for money when I don't ask them

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TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

OP posts:
red78hot · 12/07/2023 13:25

Tell him to mind his own business. The grandparents obviously dote on her and are happy to fund these extras.

Chickenpie35 · 12/07/2023 13:26

Your brother is a bell end.

If you're happy and your daughter is happy then carry on as you are.

He's pissed me off, my brother would have had my fist in an wye ball by now

Sunsetandsunrise · 12/07/2023 13:26

I don’t even have children but I know this is absurd. You don’t need to have children to know what he’s saying is outrageously unfair and illogical.

Why shouldn’t financially supporting a child be an equal split as possible? Any why are they effectively wanting to deprive their niece of activities you can’t afford ? Absolutely shameful.

Is there some kind of backstory? Did your brother envy /dislike growing up?

if his wife genuinely believes this too well I hope she won’t be complaining if they have kids and split up and she’s left to shoulder most of the cost!

Ihatepickingausername3 · 12/07/2023 13:26

Your brother needs to keep his beak out. Keep having a good relationship with them.

Chickenpie35 · 12/07/2023 13:26

Chickenpie35 · 12/07/2023 13:26

Your brother is a bell end.

If you're happy and your daughter is happy then carry on as you are.

He's pissed me off, my brother would have had my fist in an wye ball by now

*** my fist in an EYE BALL

CornishAdventures · 12/07/2023 13:27

They sound a lovely set of grandparents for your DD

Hypothetical opinions are all well and great, especially for those that haven’t been in the situation, but the reality is usually very different. They may have that opinion now but if they had children one day and later split, their view of trying to be the full time parent, work to pay the bills and fund a child may lead to a different view, especially of the non residential parent not contributing unless they have a 50:50 residence plan

Rainbow1901 · 12/07/2023 13:27

Your ex-PIL do it out of love for their grandaughter. If it bothers your brother so much - has he offered to do it out of love for his niece? Nah!! Thought so!!
I think it is lovely that irrespective of what has gone between you and your exDH that the most important person here is your DD - and that is how it should be!!

iwantmyownicecreamvan · 12/07/2023 13:28

They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”

You see, at this point he should have been stopped, taken to task about publicly - and in front of your child - questioning your financial decisions. "DB this is none of your business. I am not prepared to discuss my finances with you and certainly not in front of DD" and if he persists tell him one more time "I've told you I'm no prepared to discuss my finances with you - ever." If he still persists and you are at his house then leave "OK - we're off then - DD where's your coat?" and do leave.

You won't get him to stop this unless you are fairly blunt with him.

If you don't allow any discussion of your finances then it doesn't give him an opening about how much parents should pay. If he starts this then you say "I hope this isn't about my financial arrangements because you know I won't discuss them with you as it is none of your business."

Irritatedmum · 12/07/2023 13:29

I’m in awe of you keeping your and your DD’s relationship with your ex’s family so loving for your DD’s sake. She is a very lucky girl, not because of the money but because of the relationships she has. But being able to have all the extra little trips and stuff are such a bonus for her at this age for confidence and independence. Keep doing what you’re doing apart from telling your brother! (I nearly stopped reading when I saw he hasn’t got children, it’s an automatic fuck off to him 😂)

Sunsetandsunrise · 12/07/2023 13:30

Btw there are unfortunately people - usually men - with children who believe this too so it’s nowt to do with her brother being childfree! I imagine if he has kids his stance will even become stronger on this.

It’s not a matter of being a parent or not being a parent it’s about if you have basic morals and decency. I also think in this case it’s possible her brother and wife just hold a grudge against her so they might not even believe it.

I’d wonder why anyone would consider adversely affecting their child’s lifestyle due to the opinions of a sibling though.

gogomoto · 12/07/2023 13:30

Sorry he needs to mind his own business.

I think he's trying to imply you need to distance yourself from your ex's family but her grandparents aren't to be punished for their sons's shortcomings and its lovely they want to help if they can comfortably afford it (I assume this is the case). As long as your dd isn't begging them then all is well

bonzaitree · 12/07/2023 13:31

Stop telling your brother financial information. If they ask, don’t respond.

It is quite literally none of their business.

and it is 100% normal for grandparents to pay for treats for their grandkids.

well done for allowing your daughter to pursue her hobbies!

Thosepeskyseagulls · 12/07/2023 13:31

Your brother sounds horrible. This is absolutely none of his business. It’s the grandparents’ prerogative if they want to pay for those things for their granddaughter.

Well done for escaping a violent relationship and making a better life for your DD. I think you need to put some distance between you and your brother and/or stand up to him. He has no right to say those things to you.

Crunchingleaf · 12/07/2023 13:32

Your brother is talking out of his arse.

It’s lovely that your DD can still have a relationship with your exPIL.

Ghostgirl77 · 12/07/2023 13:33

Eh? What the hell has it got to do with your brother? Tell him to mind his own business!

Thosepeskyseagulls · 12/07/2023 13:36

TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:33

Will add the only caveat of Ex-PILs paying is that if I go I take a photo and send it to them or with Brownies if they send me a photo I then show it to Ex-PILs, which is more than fair I think and I would do without them asking anyway.

That sounds fair enough. They are obviously grateful they’ve managed to maintain a relationship with their granddaughter despite the circumstances. “Grow up” from your brother is such a stupid thing to say because it sounds like you and your ex-PIL have handled a complex situation in a reasonable and sensible way.

Oldnproud · 12/07/2023 13:36

Your brother and his wife must be as thick as pig shit.
Or plain bonkers.

I can't think of any other reasons why they could think that you, the single parent who has to both work and look after the child should foot the whole financial responsibility, and her dad next to none because he no longer lives with them.
How on earth can they believe that an absent parent should be free of any financial responsibility as long as they still "see the child" (presumably even if it's only very occasionally)?

Very weird that they are so invested in this, too, given that a) they have no children themselves and b) the money isn't coming from their side of the family anyway, so it should be none of their business whatsoever.

Sunsetandsunrise · 12/07/2023 13:37

Just read some other posters comments…to be clear what he is saying should be discredited irrespective of whether he has children or not but it’s very silly and a bit offensive actually to dismiss his views “because he has no children”, that almost suggests if he did have children it should be considered? When actually no, his opinion is just wrong. Period.

I encouraged my friend to pursue her ex- partner for child maintenance - and she was successful and it has enhanced her child’s life. Should she have ignored me because I’m child free?

additionally my mums brother who has never had any children was a better parental figure than my dad and is much more responsible and sensible in terms of how to deal with children than my dad who is a father of 3 kids. My dad appears to have similar views to OP’s brother. My uncle would never!

to re-iterate her brother should be ignored because what he is saying is trash (not because he doesn’t have kids!)

AcrossthePond55 · 12/07/2023 13:37

Tell your Bro and SiL to STFU.

And find a way to 'delicately' instruct your DD that 'it's not polite to talk about money so Uncle/Aunt shouldn't be asking how we're paying for something, and if they do we don't answer them'.

sadlittlelifejane · 12/07/2023 13:37

This reminds me of when my brother said he didn't think employers should pay maternity pay. Unfair and l that shit

Pallisers · 12/07/2023 13:39

None of their business. And they are thick too.

Next time they raise it say "I'm not interested in your view of how I run my house and rear my child. But SIL, good idea not to have children since if you split, you'll be supporting them by yourself"

Sallyh87 · 12/07/2023 13:40

Your brother is an unsupportive idiot. He wants his niece to miss out when their are family members willing to pay for her. Jerk.

Also, none of his business!

cruisingabout · 12/07/2023 13:41

surprised that someone with a sister and a wife can be so misogynistic. also your xh is not contributing enough, he should be paying you cs as you are the one taking care of dd almost full time. men shouldn't get to have children then walk away from it scratch free. my dad didn't contribute much when I grew up, my mom did most of the work and paid for most of the things. she did great financially, I had a better life than most kids, but I will forever remember my dad as the guy who hitched a free ride.

Starwind74 · 12/07/2023 13:42

As others have said, none of your brother’s business.

WalkingOnTheCracks · 12/07/2023 13:44

....ask your brother how he plans to explain to your daughter that, despite the grandparents being happy to pay, and mum being grateful that they do, and she, the kid, having a good time, he has formed the opinion that she shouldn't go to any more camps or events, and he's put pressure on mum to put a stop to it.

Because if he's not prepared to explain that, how does he expect you to do so?

Reading that back, I see that it's just a wordy way of saying, 'Tell him to fuck off.'