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My brother says I shouldn’t ask ExH or his family for money when I don't ask them

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TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

OP posts:
Dixiechickonhols · 12/07/2023 13:45

Your brother sounds like he’s got something wrong with him. No sane person can think 4 nights a month and paying for nothing is a man supporting his child.
I’d have little to do with him.
Please don’t let him put dd off. It sounds like grandparents have a lovely relationship with her and are happy to help. These are educational and beneficial experiences for her.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 12/07/2023 13:45

JudgeRudy · 12/07/2023 13:23

I don't think either you or your daughter should be expecting grandparents to pay for anything however I don't see any problem with your parents treating their grandchild if they wish to. Sounds like they have a good relationship and are close. Why is your sister and BIL so concerned? Does she feel your parents are being manipulated or taken advantage of? As long as your daughter remains loving and not grabby or entitled, and your parents are able to afford these treats I don't see an issue.
Regards the financial arrangement between you and your daughter's dad...sounds perfectly normal and has nothing to do with anyone buy you 2 and perhaps the courts. Seems to me she has an unhealthy interest in something that's no concern of hers. Has she always been so bossy and interfering?

This is such a good example of how some people on here just. Can't. Read. Astonishing.

JudgeJ · 12/07/2023 13:48

x2boys · 12/07/2023 12:14

Why are you discussing it with him?

I often wonder this about posts like this, I don't think my brother knows the first thing about my finances nor I his! Is it usual for families to be so tied up in each other's lives?

biscuits777 · 12/07/2023 13:49

You should have a lot less to do with your brother, ie none. He's a nasty piece of work.

Justcallmebebes · 12/07/2023 13:49

Your brother and his wife are fucking morons

Dummycrusher · 12/07/2023 13:51

I don't understand why it matters what your brother thinks?

Irequireausername · 12/07/2023 13:51

Why would your brother or SIL even care? Weirdos.

Twyford · 12/07/2023 13:52

Tell your brother to go and educate himself on the law on child maintenance before trying to pontificate on it.

Naunet · 12/07/2023 13:52

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD

Tell your idiotic misogynist brother to keep his nose out of other peoples business and to read up on the law before sharing his uneducated opinions.

HN3452 · 12/07/2023 13:53

You haven't answered why you are discussing it with him?

It is easy enough to get DD to say "that is not your business Uncle Dick" if they ask her directly.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 12/07/2023 13:53

Next time your prince of a brother comments, @TermTimeOnlyCantPay, you should reply:

”You are so right dear brother. From now on I will feed your lovely niece on bread and water - she shouldn’t have any treats at all. And her paternal grandparents are terrible people for treating their granddaughter like an actual person. Now, dd, off up the chimney with you - it’s not going to clean itself!”

Maybe then he’ll realise what a dick he’s being.

Naunet · 12/07/2023 13:53

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 12/07/2023 13:45

This is such a good example of how some people on here just. Can't. Read. Astonishing.

😂 yep, that’s amazing!

aSofaNearYou · 12/07/2023 13:54

YANBU, your brother sounds really weird. It all seems to be rooted in a strong feeling that parents should not expect financial help, which I get is an opinion some people have and feel strongly about, but I'm surprised they seem to think it specifically about single parents. Are they against divorce?

Regardless of why they think what they think, it's very inappropriate for them to respond to your DD mentioning these things by asking you how you're affording it. Not to mention nosy and controlling. I'd have less to do with him going forward.

tunbridgeoutrage · 12/07/2023 13:56

You don't have to tell your brother anything at all about the financial help you receive. It is none of his fucking business (excuse my language). His controlling behaviour is quite telling as is the fact that as a result of his say-so you think that you can't ask for any more help.

Please stop talking to your brother about your financial arrangements - it has nothing whatsoever to do with him. What a nasty bastard to want his sister and her kids to suffer financially. I grew up in a single parent family. My biological father (I call him that because I do not consider myself to have had a real father) did not give my mother a penny. His family was quite well off and didn't help us one little bit. We struggled so much. Accept whatever help you are offered for your children. Your brother needs to keep his nose out of your affairs.

JusthereforXmas · 12/07/2023 13:58

My IL do this too, I am married to their DS so not quite the same but if anything it irritates me.

Partly because they don't ask (well they don't ask ME, they ask DH and he will say yes to anything then they spring it on me. I'm not the parent, I should be the one deciding not DH and his mother). In fact I have even straight out said no before (because we can't afford it not now or for our younger children in future) to have them go behind my back and pay anyway.

But the main reason it irritates me is (as mentioned above) we have 3 children but they only do it for the oldest (the younger 2 are too young for trips away yet but I can foresee they won't get equal) and I know we can't afford it for the younger two when their time comes.

My oldest always seems like every family members favorite, I don't know if its because he was the first grandchild on both sides or because he was the only one for quite a while but the worry of favoritism bothers me alot as does being ignored.

Tinkerbyebye · 12/07/2023 13:59

Tell you brother and his wife to duck off

its obvious they have no clue, 4 nights a month so ex doesn’t need to pay anything! So he pays for elec, water, heat food etc 4 nights, you pay for 26/27. Plus school uniform, clothes, and the rest. Just how is that fair, ask them

as to her grandparents, they are her grandparents, it’s up to them how they spend their money and they obviously enjoy spending it on their grandchild which they are entitled to

I wouldn’t be giving your brother the time of day any more

JusthereforXmas · 12/07/2023 13:59

JusthereforXmas · 12/07/2023 13:58

My IL do this too, I am married to their DS so not quite the same but if anything it irritates me.

Partly because they don't ask (well they don't ask ME, they ask DH and he will say yes to anything then they spring it on me. I'm not the parent, I should be the one deciding not DH and his mother). In fact I have even straight out said no before (because we can't afford it not now or for our younger children in future) to have them go behind my back and pay anyway.

But the main reason it irritates me is (as mentioned above) we have 3 children but they only do it for the oldest (the younger 2 are too young for trips away yet but I can foresee they won't get equal) and I know we can't afford it for the younger two when their time comes.

My oldest always seems like every family members favorite, I don't know if its because he was the first grandchild on both sides or because he was the only one for quite a while but the worry of favoritism bothers me alot as does being ignored.

  • like I'm not the parent

I most definitely am his parent though lol.

tunbridgeoutrage · 12/07/2023 13:59

euff · 12/07/2023 12:22

Your brother is childless. Childless people have a lot of opinions which change with the reality of children. Does receiving CM make up the difference if you were living together?

It's wonderful that her grandparents are able and willing to do this. They are her grandparents regardless of your relationship status and it's great that they and DD have a relationship. Would your brother have a problem if you were currently with your ex and the grandparents were doing these things?

It's good that you don't expect or ask but it not wrong to accept their help for your DD's benefit. Hopefully there is no pressure and you do not feel obligated. I would for myself want to know how DD is broaching with them so it doesn't look like you are pushing her that way or that she's outright asking them unless of course that's what they would like her to do so she doesn't miss out on these things.

Most childless people would not share the brother's opinion on this because it's just....well, weird.

His opinion has nothing to do with being childless and everything to do with being a controlling, jealous, dickhead.

redastherose · 12/07/2023 14:00

You tell your Brother and his wife to fuck off and they can only mention this to you again when they have DC with a violent partner who only pays the minimum which is what child maintenance is!

Pencilsaremylife · 12/07/2023 14:02

I’m a grandma and I see it as a privilege to help my granddaughter get little extras, I feel lucky that my son’s ex lets us be so involved. Children are expensive and we help with school uniform costs as well as treats. Yes my son pays maintenance and sees his daughter EOW but he doesn’t earn loads and we can afford to help. If we send a little treat home with her we also send something for her brother ( half brother).

Mentaldays · 12/07/2023 14:03

It’s totally normal for grandparents to pay for things for grandchildren. Mine recently paid for an expensive gym membership for my child as there was no way I wanted to pay for it. My parents love helping out and getting extras for the kids, I’m very grateful for it and know they can afford it. They would be doing it regardless of your relationship with their son.

Your brother needs to mind his own business. He has no idea how it feels to see your child miss out. Could they be jealous as they are thinking their future children won’t have this input from grandparents? Either way I’d just be delighted my DD could do the activities.
Over the next year or so I’d be having a chat with DD about not sharing this info with wider family as they aren’t approving for done silly reason so best not mentioning who paid.

It sounds like your DD has a great relationship with them and I’d be graciously accepting any financial assistance offered.

Mamai90 · 12/07/2023 14:04

Your brother is a massive dickhead, I don't know why you'd even entertain what he'd say!

Tell him to butt out. Don't let your daughter suffer because your bell end brother says so!

ChatBFP · 12/07/2023 14:07

Do you think that your brother thinks that he is helping on behalf of your parents (ie they can't afford to pay and he thinks you should be keeping your DD only to "your" side after split/violence in case your DD prefers the grandparents who can pay?). I think you have a great relationship with ex PILs that clearly benefits your daughter, which is what parenting is about. Good on you for leaving and for doing the right thing, can't have been super easy.

Dontcallmescarface · 12/07/2023 14:08

I'd just laugh in their faces and say "meanwhile in the real world....." and nothing more.

msbevvy · 12/07/2023 14:08

If the grandparents are decent people it probably makes them happy to do this for their granddaughter, even more so given their son's shortcomings.

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