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My brother says I shouldn’t ask ExH or his family for money when I don't ask them

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TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

OP posts:
Jigslaw · 12/07/2023 12:58

Its none of your brothers business and I'd tell him as much. It sounds like everyone actually involved is happy with things which is what matters, I think it's lovely that theyre supportive and want to help out (it doesn't sound like you pressure them or anything so presumably they're more than happy to!).

ButImNotOldEnough · 12/07/2023 12:58

Childless people should keep their mouths shut on things they clearly don’t understand.

YANBU OP and neither is your daughter by telling her family about the things she’d like to do.

storypushers · 12/07/2023 12:59

Pastlast · 12/07/2023 12:19

How much are brownie camps theses days?! Unless they’ve gone up massively from when mine were doing this type of thing then you’ve basically got a man who resents his parents shelling out £30 to £60 on their granddaughter occasionally. Ask him in all seriousness if he’s worried that’s going to impact his inheritance.

what a dick. And also he should but put with his random opinions.

It's his sister's ex's parents. No impact on him at all!!

Inertia · 12/07/2023 12:59

Your brother can piss off, none of his business.

It’s easy to be self-righteous when you’ve never had to leave a violent partner, or struggled to bring up children as a single parent. When he is in that position his opinion will count for something.

Your ex’s parents are maintaining a strong relationship with their grandchild, and stepping in to provide emotional and financial support to their grandchild since their son is not safe to do so. You, your child, and your child’s grandparents all benefit from this connection.

It has fuck all to do with your brother.

Catchasingmewithspiders · 12/07/2023 12:59

My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC

Does your brother and his wife both say this, or does your brother say it and his wife not argue?

Because if I was your brothers wife this attitude from your brother would be exactly why I was childless. Its really easy for a man (childless or not) to say something like this when the reality is the majority of the time the mum ends up being the residential parent.

This literally has zero to do with your brother and could quite possible upset your DDs grandparents if they enjoy paying for these things and feeling like they contribute to their granddaughters life. Tell your brother to butt out, he doesn't get an opinion

ElBandito · 12/07/2023 13:00

If you think back very hard to your youth, can you identify the exact point where your brother became a wanker?

Fraaahnces · 12/07/2023 13:00

Why on earth do these people even HAVE an opinion?

burntshortbread · 12/07/2023 13:00

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 12/07/2023 12:57

Your brother is an idiot and needs to keep his views to himself

Perfectly put.

TwoPointFourCatsAndDogs · 12/07/2023 13:01

This is exactly the sort of grandparent I want to be! They sound absolutely lovely and your DD is a very lucky girl. Take no notice of your DB and let your DD and her grandparents continue their lovely relationship.

BurntOutGirl · 12/07/2023 13:01

How absolutely wonderful that you and your DD have this relationship with your xInlaws.

Your xSIL is positive about it and how much it means to them to be able to do this for DD.

Stopping it could cause an unhealing rift.

The only relationship you need to change is the one with your not so DB.

ChattermaxFromBluey · 12/07/2023 13:02

Your one and only reply should have been “this is your business how?”

and no more said on the matter

BurntOutGirl · 12/07/2023 13:02

ElBandito · 12/07/2023 13:00

If you think back very hard to your youth, can you identify the exact point where your brother became a wanker?

This made me chortle 🤣

ItsNotWhatItsNot · 12/07/2023 13:02

@Turfwars ’You didn't mention if your brother has kids’ yes she did. And it’s irrelevant, as OPs private business shouldn’t be getting passed on to her brother, and he has no need to form and voice his thoughts.

It’d be good if OP could clarify why the man has been given the information and why he hasn’t been told to fuck off.

Mumtothreegirlies · 12/07/2023 13:03

Tell your brother and his wife they are deluded idiots with no concept or idea of what being a parent is. Then cease contact with them because they’re vile.

TheFormidableMrsC · 12/07/2023 13:03

Your brother is a massive prick, ignore him, don't talk to him about it, he hasn't got a sodding clue. I hate people like this. Just fuck off 🙄

DifficultBloodyWoman · 12/07/2023 13:05

Yeah, your DB and SIL are batshit crazy. You can officially ignore whatever they say.

EthicalNonMahogany · 12/07/2023 13:06

If my son grew up to abuse a partner, even if it wasn't my fault I would devote considerable time and resource to supporting his ex partner and my grandchild in their lives. The grandparents are behaving well and normally.

Your brother is nothing to do with anything. I do hope OP that you haven't had to deal with nasty abusive people in your family of origin - given your brother's words it sounds possible. I hope this isn't anything to do with how you were vulnerable to an abusive man, and that you have support now to avoid being in an abusive relationship again in future.

Tresto · 12/07/2023 13:06

The grandparents are doing this because they love her. They may show the pictures to their friends and acquaintances each week. Your daughter tells them about her Brownie trips and they get to hear all about it (and maybe share with friends again). That is worth it’s weight in gold. Your child enjoys visiting them.

My grandparents did a lot with me. I talk about them to my kids all the time. I tell them how wonderful they were and how much they would love to have met them. I visited my grandparents as a teenager. I would take my gran out in a wheelchair. I remember we had to share a double bed once and we chatted all night. I loved that woman so very much. .

Your brother and sil are miserable and cannot see the bigger picture. I feel sorry for them (or maybe they are jealous in some way). Your dd and your ex pil are lucky people, let them bring each other joy (those relationships last a lifetime as fond memories).

gamerchick · 12/07/2023 13:06

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from

Lol. Coming from the parenting thing people do before they have kids.

Seriously, tell them to fuck off and mind their own business

PinkIcedCream · 12/07/2023 13:07

Your ex’s parents sound great so carry on supporting their relationship with their granddaughter. They clearly love your daughter and want to enable her to enjoy more opportunities in life. How can that be a bad thing?

Your brother and his wife are utterly clueless and I’m wondering why on earth you discussed the arrangements or anything financial with them in the first place? Your financial affairs are absolutely nothing to do with either of them.

Stop telling your brother stuff. If he’s a nosy sort who asks direct questions, reply equally directly that it’s none of his business and then change the subject.

Createausername1970 · 12/07/2023 13:07

I don't think your brother is vile, thats a bit harsh, and perhaps you get on well with him in other circumstances. But as far as this goes, it has nothing to do with him. It is an arrangement between you, your ex PIL and your DD.

And has others have said, his wife should think long and hard as to whether she has children with this man, as she could be left high and dry and having to ask her own family for financial assistance if they ever split up.

Tresto · 12/07/2023 13:08

Sounds like your brother is ensuring his wife never asks for money from him. He sounds like a wrong un’.

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 12/07/2023 13:08

The men in your life sound rather controlling. Have you explored with a counsellor or maybe the Freedom program whether there are any family dynamics which you might not be aware of?

I would pay no attention to your brother, it is none of his business and I would be blunt with him about it. Also shut down any discussion around your DD. Her grandparents are happy to pay, your ex SIL is happy with the arrangement. You could look at it another way, if they are going to be paying for her cousin to do these things, why should your dd be disadvantaged because you are no longer with her dad.

Bellaboo01 · 12/07/2023 13:08

Sounds like your child has a lovely family dynamic with their grandparents. Carry on and do whatever suits you, your child etc :)

Don't tell your brother or welcome his input as he sounds a bit mean.

X

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 12/07/2023 13:08

TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

Tell him to mind his own fucking business. Sorted.

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