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My brother says I shouldn’t ask ExH or his family for money when I don't ask them

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TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

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Mirabai · 12/07/2023 12:32

Why are you even spending time with this twat?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 12/07/2023 12:32

I would completely ignore your brother.

He’s a man who has clearly stated if he has a child and splits with his wife he’d consider himself with no financial responsibility (because it’s most likely the child will remain with his wife). That tells you all you need to know.

Its also fuck all to do with him if your DD’s grandparents want to treat her.

PrimrosesandPears · 12/07/2023 12:33

Your brother is a) nosy, b) bonkers, and c) an arse. Ignore him.

TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:33

Will add the only caveat of Ex-PILs paying is that if I go I take a photo and send it to them or with Brownies if they send me a photo I then show it to Ex-PILs, which is more than fair I think and I would do without them asking anyway.

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FictionalCharacter · 12/07/2023 12:35

Ignore your brother and his wife. How dare they try to dictate to you. Your daughter’s relationship with her paternal grandparents is absolutely none of their business.
Surely you’re not considering depriving your daughter of their love and help just to please him?

Fallenangelofthenorth · 12/07/2023 12:35

Sounds like jealousy to me. Absolutely none of their business. I get support from my DD father plus both sets of grandparents buy her things - they love her and it's independent of our own relationship.

Lots of grandparents pay for school fees, trips, tuition, Uni support etc so don't let anyone make you feel bad.

Spanielsarepainless · 12/07/2023 12:36

They pay for things because they love their granddaughter, not because they have to. Your brother is a moron, unfortunately.

UrsulaIsMyQueen · 12/07/2023 12:37

Not sure why you’re even giving this any headspace. Your finances are absolutely none of your brother’s business.

Lindy2 · 12/07/2023 12:37

Well your brother needs to mind his own business doesn't he.

Your arrangement sounds perfectly fine There is nothing wrong with your daughter's grandparents wanting to and actively choosing to help with paying for her to do activities. It's what a lot of grandparents do. They don't stop being grandparents just because you are not married to her father.

The only thing I'd change is you telling your brother and his wife anything about how you choose to parent your child and the relationship you have with her grandparents. They simply don't need to be involved at all.

Orangello · 12/07/2023 12:38

your brother believes grandparents shouldn't treat their grandchildren once the dad has decided to move out? Weirdo.

Spidey66 · 12/07/2023 12:38

Sorry my last post cross posted with a previous one about costs. It sounds like about £500 pa, which is hardly their life savings! We put loose change and the occasional note into a jar which pays for us to have weekends away, and with what is quite literally small change we save more money pa than your inlaws spend on your daughter x

Reugny · 12/07/2023 12:38

Why is your brother interested in what your DD gets from her paternal grandparents?

They are nothing to do with him.

They pay for stuff for her because they want to.

MiniCooperLover · 12/07/2023 12:39

Your brother and his wife are being absolutely ridiculous. Guarantee that if he were to leave her with children after abuse, absolutely no way would they still be sticking to their 'oh the residential parent pays it all!'. Your DDs grandparents sound lovely (despite their son) and they clearly want to have a good relationship with their granddaughter, good for them!

W1h · 12/07/2023 12:39

The only change I would be making is limiting contact with your brother and sil, and telling your dd that if they ask her how anything being afforded to just reply that it's none of their business (and you do the same!)

Your brother doesn't have a secret child somewhere whom he's refused to pay towards does he? That's the only reason I can think they'd be so eager to push and defend that position

SindyisbetterthanBarbie · 12/07/2023 12:39

Your brother is basically saying if he has children and he and his wife split up, she's on her own and he isn't paying for anything.
Nice man... 🙄

Fairyliz · 12/07/2023 12:40

Tell your brother to keep his nose out, it’s literally nothing to do with him.
I could understand him having an opinion if it was your parents and he thought they were spending ‘his’ inheritance but it’s not.

Every single grandparent I know pays for this sort of stuff the fun extras, and I will too (if my DC’s ever get around to making me a grandma).

TeenagersAngst · 12/07/2023 12:40

Agree with everyone that it's none of your brother's business.

Why does his opinion matter to you? Is it because you already have your own feelings about the GPs paying for stuff? That's usually why others' opinions can hit a nerve - when you already feel sensitive about something.

If you're happy with the status quo - and it seems that the GPs are - then you can just tell your brother to mind his own business and not give it a second thought.

everybodytidy · 12/07/2023 12:40

Your brother probably empathises with your ex, which is a bad sign that he'll end up the same as him

Eventhedog · 12/07/2023 12:40

Possibly the most clear cut 'you are NOT being unreasonable' Ive ever read. Your DBs argument makes zero sense, why would a parent ever be anything less than 50% responsible for a child. On top of that, grandparents treating their grandchildren is completely natural and brings them pleasure regardless of the parents relationship.

Workawayxx · 12/07/2023 12:41

Absolutely bizarre overstepping by your brother and SIL. It's not even their parents! And to say you shouldn't accept CM is just baffling. They actually want their niece to miss out on things - why?? I don't get it at all.

I'd just let them know you disagree as would any normal person with their views and because she is YOUR daughter, you will decide what you do or do not accept.

captainsandyscrew · 12/07/2023 12:41

If this was my brother I'd go low/no-contact with him on this basis, what a dick.

I think it's lovely you cultivate a relationship between your DD and ex-PIL despite abusive ex, totally on them if they want to treat her.

RandomMess · 12/07/2023 12:42

Tell your BIL & SIL that your financial affairs are NONE of their business and what her grandparents chose to spend their money on is none of their business either and do they not have any class or manners.

You need boundaries of steel with them.

Lefteyetwitch · 12/07/2023 12:43

Cut ghe twat out.

And tell whether they choose to have kids or can't it's a blessing they never do.

Everydayimhuffling · 12/07/2023 12:43

OP, your only answer should be, "it's none of your business", "mind your own business", "we've had this conversation and I'm not having it again" or "f off". Your DB and SIL are seriously overstepping. Your ex PIL are doing a nice thing that they want to do and that makes life nicer for your DD. It's got nothing to do with your brother.

TragicMuse · 12/07/2023 12:43

It's fuck all to do with your brother and his wife!

And it quite telling about he sees paternal responsibility for children - it's probably just as well he doesn't have kids since he doesn't seem to think he should pay for their upkeep...