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My brother says I shouldn’t ask ExH or his family for money when I don't ask them

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TermTimeOnlyCantPay · 12/07/2023 12:08

DD is 9, split with now ExH when she was 2. ExH has her EOWend for 2 nights.

I work 4 days a week but it's full time condensed into 4 days. I also get CB and CM for DD.

I can afford for her to do swimming, Brownies and community choir. But I cannot afford any extras, so no camps for Brownies, no competitions that have to be paid for with Choir etc.

But DD gets to do these things. Generally, because her grandparents on her dads side will pay. She has to earn it by helping them to look after her little cousin or by running into the shop to grab stuff when they walk the dog together (usually a paper, some milk and/or bread).

I never ask them to pay, DD tells them about the competition or camp or Brownies event and how much it costs they then text and ask for the copy of the letter and pay for it directly with Choir and Brownies, I just fill out the forms so she can go (as the person with PR). They generally also give her spending money for tuck shop or gift shop. They’ve also recently paid for DDs Y5 and 6 residential (they go every 2 years but take all of Years 5 and 6) which was over £300. Again I didn’t ask them to.

According to my brother and his wife I should not be asking for any financial support from ExH because he sees DD. I should expect that 4 nights a month is enough of a financial help and close the CMS case especially because I left him – ExH was violent, I had no choice but to leave and I’m glad I did. And I definitely shouldn’t be expecting her grandparents to fund her activities. If I can’t afford for her to do the extras she doesn’t do them. My brother and his wife are childless but said if they had children the financial responsibility is on them and if they split up they would only expect the parent who has them full time to be financially responsible for them as long as the other parent sees the DC. They also pointed out that CB is for the child so thats where extra should come from.

I pointed out I don’t ask them to pay for the extras, it’s not my fault if DD goes and asks them herself. Also our grandparents paid for similar things but according to them its different because our parents where together and could of afforded it without their help (I’m not so sure they could of, my dad worked part time due to illness). But according to them I need to "grow up" and take financial responsibility for my child, stop spoiling her with activities and say no to her sometimes.

I just feel now like I can’t ask anything. They know I don’t pay for it because when DD mentions it they say to me “How are you affording that?” and then DD will reply “It’s ok Granny and Grandpa paid for it”. Now I feel like I have to make DD not mention it when she goes to her dads. DD never demands from what I can tell, it's more of a casual "Brownies are going on a camp, I'd love to go" and grandparents say "How much and when is it?" then text me, they always say "Say no if you want, but can we pay for (DD) to go on Brownie camp in May?"

For added context due to the violence there’s a CAO in place, so ExH sees DD for 2 overnights but has to be supervised by his parents. They do see DD on her own without ExH but if he knows DD is with them he goes round – which is fine I get it. They also have another grandchild (DDs little cousin) and they’ve said when that GC reaches school age they’ll also help out with school trips and hobbies, so it’s not like DD is being favoured.

AIBU? Or do I have to ask DD to stop asking her grandparents and therefore stop her doing competitions and camps?

OP posts:
Codlingmoths · 12/07/2023 13:09

Stop defending yourself to your brother. Next time he asks you jump in and say I’ve told dd how rude it is to keep asking questions about other peoples finances. When you’re paying, you can ask. If not, it’s absolutely none of your business.

But really do you have to see him much? Because he sounds like an a grade asshole and that is some serious judgy fuckery and you seem to feel you have to answer and defend yourself, and you DO NOT. EVER.

fruitbrewhaha · 12/07/2023 13:09

I am finding it really hard to understand what your brother is thinking. It's perfectly normal for Grandparents to help out with things like this. It's none of his business and makes me wonder what is underlying this. I am pleased that you have good exinlaws who are a positive effect on your and dd's lives. I expect they are trying to make up for their awful son.

Next time he makes a comment I'd probably reply "I didn't realise you disliked me until you've made these comments. Your clearly showing contempt for me. If its better all round you don't need to see me at all, up to you"

saraclara · 12/07/2023 13:09

When I mentioned it to Ex-SIL (ExHs sister) she said that her parents like it when DD goes round excited about something, and it's the sort of thing they saved for their retirement, to treat their grandchildren.

Exactly. I'm a grandparent and I like to help with paying for stuff and treating my DGD. My grandparents used to help pay for my school trips and outings too. It's one of the pleasures of life.

I have no idea why your own brother and SIL feel that they should have any opinion at all about the choices that the paternal grandparents make.

BabylonianChild · 12/07/2023 13:09

Your brother, at best, is clueless as he is childless. Ignore him.

The grandparents will likely be glad that they help provide a good quality of life for their grandchild. To be honest, I bet the grandparents get even more out of their generosity than your daughter does.

HanSB · 12/07/2023 13:10

Your brother sounds like he doesn’t care much about you or his niece. It’s none of his business but reflects very poorly on him that he would basically rather his niece go without when there are people who love her and want to make sure she doesn’t miss out on fun activities. He should keep his opinions to himself, it’s nothing to do with him or his gf

TimesRwo · 12/07/2023 13:10

One of the few times I’ve read a post on MN and my first thought is “fuck them”.

Sounds like you have a great network around you (in the form of your ex in laws) and DD isn’t missing out on things.

Ignore them.

ElFupacabra · 12/07/2023 13:11

I would be telling your brother and his cunt of a wife to fuck off and take a step away from the relationship. There’s a way he won’t know who is paying for what and the end of this chiding by simply stop talking to him. If he doesn’t like how you’re raising your child and living your life the he doesn’t get to be part of it 🤷🏻‍♀️

thecatinthetwat · 12/07/2023 13:12

Op I’m not sure why you would even consider listening to your brothers utter nonsense. That’s the only thing that is unreasonable about this.

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aloris · 12/07/2023 13:12

This is none of your brother's business and he has no right to insert himself into it. His opinions on the matter are irrelevant. Also, none of what he says, makes any sense and it carries the scent of misogyny. What kind of person thinks that if a woman leaves a violent man then the man no longer has an obligation to support his children financially? Yuck.

3BSHKATS · 12/07/2023 13:14

Grandparents love to fund this kind of stuff, literally how dare you even consider depriving them of the pleasure of paying for their granddaughter to have a wonderful time.

bready · 12/07/2023 13:14

I'm a people pleaser at the best of times but genuinely baffled why this is even an issue.

Grandparents don't magically not become grandparents if a parent leaves or dies. As grandparents, they have a biological / blood / genetic relationship with your DD, in their own right. They're not just linked by marriage (eg DIL, SIL).

Also I read BIL at first... BIL might have a right to comment on his parents' expenditure (even if unreasonably) but does your brother even know your in-laws?! Seriously I'm so confused why this is even a thing. Btw maybe he's jealous that his wife's parents aren't so generous.

Just smile and say "we're very lucky her grandparents dote on her". Emphasis on "DD's grandparents", not your ILs.

AffIt · 12/07/2023 13:14

Your former in-laws sound like decent people and I think it's great that they have an ongoing and loving relationship with their granddaughter in spite of their son's failings.

I'm a bit confused why your or brother or SiL think this is any of their business?

Feelinggoodtuesday · 12/07/2023 13:15

@Mistystar99 summarised it beautifully.

Tophy124 · 12/07/2023 13:16

Keep the arrangements going. It’s their grandchild and they want to support her! They are providing for her, it’s not like they are giving you money.

Cut your brother and his wife out. I would have no time for someone as toxic and horrible as them and what exactly are they bringing to the relationship? Nothing? Exactly.

How dare he comment on what you and your child are up to or what her Dads family are paying for. This should make you really really angry and rather than punishing your daughter and her grandparents you should be addressing it with the arseholes who are really the issue. Brother and SIL.

ReachForTheMars · 12/07/2023 13:17

LMAO at the image of your smug brother and SIL patronisingly making those statements with no lived experience of being divorced. Should hey ever divorce I imagine she will have custody, bemoan how much he pays and he will insist CM is enough. Fuck, I'd have been compelled to wind them up and put the against eachother by innocently asking how they would organise things.

neilyoungismyhero · 12/07/2023 13:18

Sounds to me like you have the perfect, very respectful and loving relationship with your in laws. They are grandparents and are keen to do these things for their grandchild.
Your brother knows nothing and has no experience of your situation, just please please ignore him for all your sakes.

Exasperatednow · 12/07/2023 13:18

Why does your brother think his opinion matters?

Do you tell him how he should live his life?

Bobbielikespeas · 12/07/2023 13:20

Had to read this a few times to make sure you were referring yo your actual brother as opposed to brother in law. Your brother sounds like dick-uncle of the year.

Gerrataere · 12/07/2023 13:22

Oooh I won’t lie I’m the sort who would say ‘what’s wrong bro? You been dipping the ink where it’s not meant and worried your wife is about to rinse you? No? Well don’t you worry about my business and I won’t worry about yours…’.

Slimeinthecarpet · 12/07/2023 13:22

What's it got to do wirh your brother and why is he trying to impoverish your child?
Your ex in laws probably know what their son is like.

JudgeRudy · 12/07/2023 13:23

I don't think either you or your daughter should be expecting grandparents to pay for anything however I don't see any problem with your parents treating their grandchild if they wish to. Sounds like they have a good relationship and are close. Why is your sister and BIL so concerned? Does she feel your parents are being manipulated or taken advantage of? As long as your daughter remains loving and not grabby or entitled, and your parents are able to afford these treats I don't see an issue.
Regards the financial arrangement between you and your daughter's dad...sounds perfectly normal and has nothing to do with anyone buy you 2 and perhaps the courts. Seems to me she has an unhealthy interest in something that's no concern of hers. Has she always been so bossy and interfering?

Slimeinthecarpet · 12/07/2023 13:23

Your brother doesn't sound as though he has your best interests at heart tbh.

GerbilsForever24 · 12/07/2023 13:23

In light of the unanimous verdict on here that your DB and Sil are being complete twats, I wonder if the relationship with your brother is more complex. Because I honestly can't imagine that any vaguely normal, emotionally healthy person, would have this issue, OR that anyone who wasn't already in some kind of weird co-dependent issue wouldn't laugh in the face of someone saying this to them.

Is it time to perhaps spend less time with your DB and SIL? Low or no contact? Are there more examples of batshit, probably cruel, behaviour from them?

GerbilsForever24 · 12/07/2023 13:24

Oh wait, I bet he also thinks you're a benefits scrounger and shouldn't be allowed to go to the pub if you need money from your ex so badly?!

As above, might be time to distance yourself from them. Keep your ex PIL close though - they sound like normal, rational people who are doing their best in what must be a difficult situation if their son was violent towards you.

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