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GSDmom · 10/07/2023 11:38

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

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Okay I get the breastfeeding individual is in a league if it's own. But there isn't any need to be like that, the majority of trans individuals just want to live their lives without judgment.

Fine, if it doesn't affect others adversely. Many activists are keen to say there's no clash of rights, but that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Women in prison, women in sport, crime statistics and census data no longer accurate, girls losing single sex loos in school, women losing single sex breastfeeding support groups, disabled women unable to stipulate female carers only and have that respected, rape crisis centres run by males, etc

oOiluvfriendsOo · 10/07/2023 11:39

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:45

How is a baby who is getting good amounts of skin to skin and milk to boot being harmed?

That 'milk' is not what is produced from a mother's breast. That poor baby is being forced to latch onto a man's nipple to satisfy his wants.

Why not feed formula that way the baby is getting all the nutrients it needs......oh that's right, because it's about the man's needs not the baby's health.

Sickening.

AnorLondo · 10/07/2023 11:39

You haven't seen this on here? Really, there haven't been multiple threads?

Livinginanotherworld · 10/07/2023 11:39

RudsyFarmer · 10/07/2023 10:54

Is this being defended on Twitter?

No, far from it, it’s causing outrage mostly.

LanaDeIRabies · 10/07/2023 11:40

Chocolatelabradorsarethebest · 10/07/2023 11:24

Ah, it's the daily transphobic thread, right, thanks for that.

So you think this is okay? And to suggest otherwise is 'transphobic'?

Goodness me.

oOiluvfriendsOo · 10/07/2023 11:41

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:58

its really not

You're them aren't you.....

Lolapusht · 10/07/2023 11:41

Lactophilia is a thing (TIMs referring to themselves as “cows”…dressing as cows…udder fascination….feeding their newborns)

TIMs inducing lactation for the euphoria even though they don’t have a baby.

TIMs who lactate who wish to donate to milk banks so more babies get the good trans milk (I think I did see a tweet in support of TUC Mum basically saying that because a man was producing the milk it was better than that pathetic woman milk).

There has not been an accurate study on the nutritional content of male “milk”. When they’ve tested Lemsip on breastfeeding mothers, I’m sure they’ll be lining up the blokes to test the hormonal, chemical etc content of what they’ve produced. LLL’s nonsense about a man producing 75% of a baby’s needs are completely untested and are bloody dangerous. I’ve read posts from lactating TIMs who are only producing 1 tbsp per day. Even if you’re producing 1 tbsp per pump, you won’t be producing enough to sustain a growing baby. Does the content of the milk change as it does with a mum? Does a TIM pass on antibodies? Does the prolactin level change during the feed or are they just letting a baby suckle because they love doing it even when the baby is not getting any nutrition?

It sounds hyperbolic, but it’s out there on the internet. I don’t care the number of people doing this shit, 1 TIM who has induced lactation donating milk is 1 too many. Men should not breastfeed (if it was as wonderfully natural as supporters are saying then more men would do it. Seriously, dads all over the world would be inducing lactating and I know there are some cultures where men suckle babies, but they are absolutely the minority and are not an authority).

And for all those complaining that this is transphobic, get over yourselves. Your clearly care more about men than you do about women as you have no behaviour boundary. If it’s done by a trans person then it’s absolutely fine and no-one is permitted to object. It’s so old and we moved on from that ages ago. Keep up.

LanaDeIRabies · 10/07/2023 11:42

Livinginanotherworld · 10/07/2023 11:39

No, far from it, it’s causing outrage mostly.

Owen Jones has liked/RTd tweets from this individual, what a shock.

There's a few replies of 'bigot' and the like to those rightly outraged.

But the vast majority see it for what it is.

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 11:43

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Why is it weird or perverted

Its threads like these that make MN a bit of a meme in the wider online community

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 11:43

LanaDeIRabies · 10/07/2023 11:40

So you think this is okay? And to suggest otherwise is 'transphobic'?

Goodness me.

To suggest this person is a sex offender is extremely transphobic

as is calling it disgusting

wincarwoo · 10/07/2023 11:44

"A bit of a meme" lol. You think anyone gives a

IAmSalmaFuckingHayek · 10/07/2023 11:45

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:34

From the La Leche league

”can trans women produce breast milk? Of course, but they need to follow the correct method to develop their breasts so as to induce lactation. To do so, they need to use the same hormones naturally released during a woman's pregnancy to develop their breasts. Once they do so they can often produce enough milk to cover between 25% and 75% of a baby's nutritional needs.”

No mention that said hormones can cause heart problems in babies?
No mention that in the UK this is not an option for most women because of the risks to the baby.

crazeekat · 10/07/2023 11:46

vile, and it's true this is child abuse. in broad daylight.

Livinginanotherworld · 10/07/2023 11:47

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 11:43

To suggest this person is a sex offender is extremely transphobic

as is calling it disgusting

No it isn’t, it’s abuse, he’s a pervert. He is using that poor baby as a prop in his sexual fetishes.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/07/2023 11:48

Its threads like these that make MN a bit of a meme in the wider online community

Who cares? Most of what is written about mumsnet comes from a place of misogyny and sexism, even if only casual sexism.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 10/07/2023 11:48

I seriously can not get my head around posters actually condoning this, its fucking crazy people are not seeing this for what it is, plain and simple abuse of a child.

Museya15 · 10/07/2023 11:49

I'm telling you, in twenty years time, there are going to be so many fucked up kids/teens. I'm so glad I'm the age I am.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/07/2023 11:49

Dabralor · 10/07/2023 11:30

Calm down, Terfs - it's only a man posting his breastfeeding on social media. Jeez, what hysteric prudes you all are!

. “... He realized how easy it was to present an appearance of orthodoxy while having no grasp whatever of what orthodoxy meant. In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird".

Spot on with the reference.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 10/07/2023 11:51

GSDmom · 10/07/2023 11:38

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

GSDmom
Okay I get the breastfeeding individual is in a league if it's own. But there isn't any need to be like that, the majority of trans individuals just want to live their lives without judgment.

Fine, if it doesn't affect others adversely. Many activists are keen to say there's no clash of rights, but that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Women in prison, women in sport, crime statistics and census data no longer accurate, girls losing single sex loos in school, women losing single sex breastfeeding support groups, disabled women unable to stipulate female carers only and have that respected, rape crisis centres run by males, etc

Yes, I know what we both wrote. What I'm asking for is for you to explain why what I wrote there makes you say 'tarring all transgender people with the same brush is wrong'. I mentioned activists, most of whom aren't trans, claiming that there is no issue in replacing sex with gender identity when it comes to human rights and legal protections, and I gave a few examples of cases where it certainly is a problem. I've said absolutely nothing about any trans individual on this thread. I've made the general point that males should not be breastfeeding. In a thread full of people expressing themselves far more pithily and pungently than I have, I'm perplexed that I'm the one you're taking issue with.

DoubleShotEspresso · 10/07/2023 11:52

Saw this on twitter, absolutely sickening, I cannot comprehend how this does not warrant MH sectioning and child protection actions, just horrific how this is being forced upon everybody as Normal & acceptable". It isn't and never will be.

maddening · 10/07/2023 11:52

PinkyU · 10/07/2023 09:21

Stop the presses!!!!!!!!

Consenting adult who breastfeeds also likes nipple play(!).

Can the baby consent to being a sexual prop and to consuming drug induced, and subsequently drug laced nipple excretion (as that is not milk in any way shape or form) - I suggest not.

Housekeeperbatcocoa · 10/07/2023 11:53

MistyGreenAndBlue · 10/07/2023 09:23

It's very clearly a link to Twitter not some random website.

I think this has been on the Feminism board, I've seen it before somewhere anyway. And yes, it's very clearly a fetish and child abuse.

Twitter is a very large and diverse site. As a SA survivor I'm not clicking on random links with no context.

pickledandpuzzled · 10/07/2023 11:54

Stop press- man publicly uses baby as a nipple clamp.
Half the world is outraged, the other half can't understand why.

ABugWife · 10/07/2023 11:55

My husband is a transman so safe to say I am not transphobic. I think people should be able to do as they please with their own body, the main focus of that sentence being Their Own.

That baby should not be being fed an untested substance that may or may not be sort of similar to human milk but is certainly full of hormones. What benefit is the baby getting from it? None, formula is widely available and perfectly adequate to feed a child when (actual) breastmilk is not available for any reason.

If I had a newborn and insisted to feed them cheese or chicken or soil from birth that child would be taken from me. Why is this being allowed.

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2023 11:55

Twitter is a very large and diverse site. As a SA survivor I'm not clicking on random links with no context.

plenty of context on this thread if that is indeed what you're looking for