words fail...honestly. Not seen this on here

[camelhoe]

https://twitter.com/theparasiteguy/status/1676617960939462656?s=48&t=husuKrLrJtz6omRqRlVU5Q

The idea of an innocent baby sucking on a man nipple makes me feel sick, it's utterly repulsive. And yes, how did he get possession of a baby?

Oh my god just read the only fans posts - like others said where the fuck is social services. And not not because of that, all of it.

Makes a mockery of them too if this is allowed to happen.

Is this the same person?

Is this the same person?

It's not Mika, the subject of the thread. It's another male.

No, apologies, I read the RG tagline of degenerates parading their breastfeeding fetishes and assumed she was talking about the one I am, not the ITV "mother" guy.

The one im referencing is a "porncow" that exploits a kid as part of lactation fetish.

Porncow? What the hell is that? This thread has blown my tiny mind I must admit.

Oh god, there is a baby. Fucking hell.

Where are social services?

Mostly they’re completely captured, and there are huge double standards when anything trans is involved. Safeguards apparently don’t apply.

I shall post some relevant links here. Because males breastfeeding infants has been discussed often on MN.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/?utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-uOWyW0a0EHFcOxL5MmCf5Q&utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-eFdm05QNJngWSRNMPW32yA#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

“However, the woman’s breastmilk has not been assessed yet, so we don’t know if it has the same mix of components as in milk from new gestational mothers. This means the practice cannot yet be recommended, says Madeline Deutsch at the University of California, San Francisco. She says she can see the potential benefits of breastfeeding, but that the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown.”

“Deutsch herself is a transgender woman with a six-month-old baby who is currently being breastfed by Deutsch’s wife, who was the gestational mother. “I am very sad not to be able to breastfeed her and at the same time I did not consider doing this for the above reasons,” she says.”

This was February 2018. I have not seen anything to prove that any in-depth studies have been released since to counter this expert's opinion. And there has been plenty of other threads since this that where these studies would have been posted by activist posters.

So, there we have it. A transitioned male, Associate Professor, Family Community Medicine, is telling the world that this is not advisable until further research.

This comes from that link too:

“After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.”

“Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old. After six weeks, the woman supplemented her breastfeeding with formula.”

Just* *for clarity, the baby was fed exclusively for six weeks from the secretions from the male. And therefore was being undernourished, because this male insisted on doing this.... this was NOT in the interest of the infant at all.

www.them.us/story/trans-women-breastfeed

This is an illuminating read and shows insight into the motivations for these male people who seek to do this.

Here is another example.

The article has been deleted by Daily Mail. But please plug the link into archive (dot) is or ph and it should work.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10859287/Transgender-paramedic-breastfed-newborn-baby-know-like-mum.html

This is a medically trained male paramedic who did this by the way.

There have been numerous threads about this in the past and never once have we been offerred any benefit for the infant in all this. Not once.

This is the article that has caused two Australian women to receive letters stating they have broken the law.

https://reduxx.info/two-australian-women-told-they-broke-the-law-after-criticizing-trans-identified-male-breastfeeding-child/

Quite a few issues in that original article about Buckley.

Here is a few statements:

''To know I could breastfeed my own child and have that experience, I wanted to be a part of that. I wanted to know what it was like to be a mum and breastfeed."

and

'I will never know what's it like to menstruate or carry a baby or give birth,' Ms Buckley said.

'But to be told I could have the opportunity to breastfeed, it was something that was nice to be able to experience as a trans woman.'

and

'The first time it came out I just started leaking,' Ms Buckley said. 'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.

'I thought, "Oh my God, I am actually producing human milk".'

and

'Apart from the milk he was getting from me he was essentially starving,' Ms Buckley said of the couple's hungry son

'I genuinely believe had I not brought my breast milk into the hospital he could have become very sick with liver and kidney issues from lack of nutrition.'

and

'It was sad. It was frustrating, but as brief as it was, I did get to experience it. I would have preferred to do it a lot longer. But Auden's wellbeing was paramount.'

I am really looking forward to posters telling us just what about this interview is not pointing out that this all about the male. What part of these statements above are about the child.

Even when HCP's pointed out that the baby was starving, it was all about that adult male.

Why was the hospital letting an infant ‘starve’? Or did this couple refuse formula and manufacture the need for this male to then ‘rescue’ the newborn by feeding their son? It should be noted the medical team for the baby thought this was not an advisable option. This male did it anyway!

And those posters who support this male feeding secretions to that infant can also then point out just how that male feeding the newborn whatever the substance was they were producing was, how are they providing the newborn nutrition if the composition is unknown?

I doubt we will get any answers though.

That this endrocrinologist has spoken at AusPATH about this, and has 'assisted' FIVE other males to do this, I suspect each state in Australia will have some males to have done this already and quite a few more will be aiming for it.

The usual 'only one / two/ a few' rhetoric would be misinformed.

see below:

Dr Naomi Achong, a former president of Australian Professional Association for Trans Health (AusPATH), is the Brisbane endocrinologist who recommended Ms Buckley breastfeed Auden.

It is understood she has helped five other transgender women breastfeed.

Dr Achong spoke on the topic of 'lactation induction in transfemales' at a AusPATH conference last weekend and her talk was one of the most booked events.

I've just been reading up about the drugs used to produce breast milk, that in itself is abuse!

They identify themselves as cows due to the milking.
Porn prefix speaks for itself. <bleurgh>

Would you like to find a study that shows this that we can all access and read thoroughly.

For instance, since you have posted this study, would you like to tell us whether the male secretion was checked for testosterone?

Yes? Or can't you access it either and just lazily posted it as some kind of 'gotcha'.

academic.oup.com/humrep/article/16/2/244/649618?login=false

I found a study that looked at the hormone levels in women breastfeeding. A breastfeeding women without PCOS has the following testosterone levels at 4 weeks and 8 weeks of breastfeeding :

Ng/ml
4th wk 0.13
8th wk 0.11

A woman with PCOS (ng/ml)
4th week 0.21
8th week 0.26

The male who fed exclusively for 6 weeks started with 0.205 ng/ml. That was with the suppression drug that was not noted to change in dose throughout this period. And that suppression is known to be unreliable so the level of testosterone may have fluctuated during the feeding time.

No testing of testosterone was done on this substance being fed to the infant from what I can see either. In fact, there was NO testing noted on that substance in the study!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779241/

What was the sex of the infant? What was the effect on that infant? What is the future effect on that infant?

Are posters so determined to be 'inclusive' that they simply wish to gloss over these issues?

Who the fuck benefits from allowing a male with untested secretions feed an infant those secretions?

The infant? Please tell us all how the infant is benefited?

Here is a doctor's view on male feeding.

https://lascapigliata.com/2018/03/26/analysis-of-study-of-induced-lactation-in-trans-identified-man/

"On presentation, the patient was on a gender-affirming regimen that included spironolactone (a heart medication used in this case as an androgen blocker), estradiol, micronised progesterone and “occasional” clonazepam and zolpidem for panic disorder and insomnia."

"At initial appointment, the patient had gynaecomastia (abnormally enlarged breasts in a man, Tanner stage V) that was likely a side effect of spironolactone and cross-sex hormones he was taking."

"Interestingly, it’s unclear what was the patient’s serum testosterone level, because two markedly different results were given, one in the body of text – 256 ng/dL – and another in the results table 1. – 20.52 ng/dL."

"This is problematic not only because it constitutes a glaring inconsistency within the report, but also because the higher result indicates that the patient had male testosterone levels. Considering that the study reported no further testosterone data, indicating that they didn’t measure his testosterone level at any other point in the study, and that 75% of trans-identified men on spironolactone fail to reach testosterone level in the female range, and those who augment the treatment with estradiol have variable response, there is no reliable evidence that adequate androgen blockade was achieved, even though authors claimed that androgen blockade was an important part of the regimen."

And it goes on.....

Well worth a read

Plenty of discussion points on this thread. There is a growing number of male people doing this now.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4810003-brighton-nhs-trust-recommends-drug-induced-male-breastfeeding-in-their-maternity-protocols?reply=126299895

The 'milk' has not tested for a range of other chemicals, including testosterone. In fact, the one study is from a male who took no drugs to stimulate the lactation, the lactation being a side effect of a medical condition.

So, you are here advocating that an unknown substance is absolutely fine to be fed to an infant?

Where is the colostrum? Where is the direct interaction with that male's body responding directly to the needs of the infant in how that secretion is formulated?

Are you absolutely confident that no other drugs that these male people are taking has any other unexpected side effects and are being secreted into that infant? Do you?

Or are you just perfectly happy for an infant to be experimented on for the sake of a male who may or may not have a fetish? Because .... reasons....

Sterling work on this thread, @Helleofabore

Adopters in the UK do not do this. Ever. I'm sick of adopters being used as a means to validate this or any other males decision to put his drug induced nipple secretions in a child's mouth. This does not happen in adoption in the UK.

@Helleofabore you are amazing!

Adopters in the UK do not do this. Ever. I'm sick of adopters being used as a means to validate this or any other males decision to put his drug induced nipple secretions in a child's mouth. This does not happen in adoption in the UK.

It doesn't happen with adopters in the US either as the drugs are not licensed for this

Male in t shirt and trousers puts nipple into baby's mouth = child abuse. Male in dress/wearing lipstick and on a number of drugs does the same = brave and stunning.

Make it make sense

Seconded.

It is not remotely like breast milk.

"Spontaneous production of milk not associated with childbirth, known as galactorrhea, can occur in human males and females, but in males, due to lack of maturation of mammary glands during puberty, this fluid does not produce the necessary nutrients to sustain an infant."

Mammary glands/ milk ducts are modified sweat glands. Men who "feed" their babies like this are filling their little tummies with chemically induced SWEAT.

I hope that the infants will be followed up for the duration of their lives.

This is yet another uncontrolled experiment for the benefit of the TRAs. We have no idea what the long term implications are for these babies, but that doesn't matter as long as the short-term thrills for the men involved are present.

There is NO peer reviewed study with a decent population that examined milk composition of males with galactorrhoea. Not one.
Anyone defending this is talking HORSESHIT. What the fuck is in your head that you are defending a MAN sticking his nipple in the mouth of an infant based purely on a feeing his head? Take a good look at yourself and ask how the hell you got to this point.
No benefit to the child. NONE.
AND THE LA-LECHE LEAGUE ARE TOTALLY CAPTURED BY STONEWALL. They do not provide unbiased impartial advice, and anyone taking their "science" as fact, is a brainwashed moron.