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To be so sick of Pitbulls

195 replies

Jinnyjoes · 09/07/2023 00:35

On holidays and DP nearly had his throat ripped out on our walk home tonight, it was terrifying, owner dove in at last minute and pulled dog back. I know many people say they are great dogs, great with children, blah blah blah, but I’m just sick of encountering them and worrying about them attacking my own little dog….and my own little DP 😃

OP posts:
Teder · 09/07/2023 11:56

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 11:35

Don't forget those who are stupid enough to pick up their small dog because of their own anxiety or run / teach their kids to run passed dogs 🤨

Not sure if I’m being stupid here as I’m dog owner and parent but why can’t children run past dogs?

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 11:57

Hunting prey can kick in and dogs may chase if they aren't well trained

Jeraniums · 09/07/2023 11:58

XL Bully's are direct descendants of Pitbulls. Hilarious that anyone thinks that Pitbulls have disappeared off the 'production line'!

Pitbulls are a type of dog, not a recognised breed in the UK.

XL Bullys are a type of dog, not a recognised breed in the UK.

They are pretty much one and the same.

All of these dogs need banning and destroying.

WillowtreeHouse · 09/07/2023 12:03

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 11:57

Hunting prey can kick in and dogs may chase if they aren't well trained

But, again, this is an owner problem.

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 12:22

@WillowtreeHouse agree but it's also a parent problem to make sure you teach your kids how to behave around animals

Jinnyjoes · 09/07/2023 12:25

Anyway, thanks everyone for your responses. Even those who disagree with me and think I was being a dramatic twat, I respect your opinions and you added texture to the argument. Have a nice Sunday.

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cruisingabout · 09/07/2023 12:31

the thing is, there are many cross breeds of pitbull, it's in so many dogs. they were (and probably still are) created as a status symbol for a particular group of people. a dog might not be a pure bred pitbull, but this doesn't make it any less dangerous

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 09/07/2023 12:58

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 11:35

Don't forget those who are stupid enough to pick up their small dog because of their own anxiety or run / teach their kids to run passed dogs 🤨

It's really not the job of anyone to modify their behaviour to placate your dog. It's your job to keep your dog away from other people/dogs and under your control. How you do that is your own affair but the second your dog approached someone uninvited you have failed at your job.

YouJustDoYou · 09/07/2023 13:01

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 09/07/2023 12:58

It's really not the job of anyone to modify their behaviour to placate your dog. It's your job to keep your dog away from other people/dogs and under your control. How you do that is your own affair but the second your dog approached someone uninvited you have failed at your job.

Exactly. If the dog is so poorly trained/unstable it chases/hurts children minding their own business running and playing, then this is a stupid, irresponsible owner issue.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 09/07/2023 13:03

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 11:57

Hunting prey can kick in and dogs may chase if they aren't well trained

Which is the fault of the owner,not the person running.

WillowtreeHouse · 09/07/2023 13:03

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 09/07/2023 12:58

It's really not the job of anyone to modify their behaviour to placate your dog. It's your job to keep your dog away from other people/dogs and under your control. How you do that is your own affair but the second your dog approached someone uninvited you have failed at your job.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. So many dog owners don't train their dogs appropriately then blame the behaviour of other people. While I do believe that children most definitely need to be taught how to behave around animals, an untrained dog is a menace to all. I've had easy to train dogs and difficult to train dogs but to put the work in and persevere and you will get results. But it's always going to be a work in progress as dogs get older, change surroundings etc. The lifelong commitment of dog owning includes training.

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 13:04

@herewegoroundthebastardbush to be clear, my dog isn't reactive - he is great around kids.

My point is that you should also teach safety just incase - not everyone does have well behaved animals because they are not well trained. This can include any breed of dog.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 09/07/2023 13:06

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 12:22

@WillowtreeHouse agree but it's also a parent problem to make sure you teach your kids how to behave around animals

Nope. Not my job. Your job to keep your dog under control. There is no legal obligation for me to teach my kids how to behave around animals. There is a legal obligation for you to keep your fucking dog under control. The end.

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 13:07

@herewegoroundthebastardbush you also don't have a legal obligation to teach your child road safety.

Being a shit parent counts.

Again not MY dog. But definately YOUR kids by the sound of it.

End of.

Cheeseandlobster · 09/07/2023 13:08

maddening · 09/07/2023 10:41

No one should be having to change their route or evolve strategies not to get attacked by dogs - get rid of these fucking stupid breeds now

No they shouldn't. But the fact is the dog is there and telling dc to run past everyday is poor advice.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 09/07/2023 13:14

And I do teach my kids how to behave around animals, because I have to to keep them safe, because most dog owners imo are delusional and irresponsible and treat their dangerous animals like babies, and assume and expect everyone to love them as much as they do. But I shouldn't have to, it's not my responsibility, it's their responsibility to keep their stupid smelly beasts away from me and mine. But they won't, because they're arseholes.

ThirteenTog · 09/07/2023 13:14

WillowtreeHouse · 09/07/2023 11:27

I've been a dog owner all my adult life and always had them as a child. I have two at the moment and I adore my dogs. I am sick to death of some dog owners blindly defending all dogs no matter the circumstances. The OP is no doubt incorrect in her description of the breed, but there are many PB crosses which are not banned so perhaps not knowing the precise breed is understandable.

I'm not sick of pitbulls, I'm sick of shitty owners of any breed of dog who don't know how to look after their dogs properly. They do no research into their breed/s so have no idea what they need in terms of food/exercise and company and its shit.

Most dogs are wonderful and most owners are too, but you just need to look at how some folk bring their children up to see how little attention their dog will get.

I was hoping the responsible owners like you would join the thread. There is a reason people post threads like these. Irresponsible dog ownership is growing and must be annoying for owners like you to witness.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 09/07/2023 13:15

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 13:07

@herewegoroundthebastardbush you also don't have a legal obligation to teach your child road safety.

Being a shit parent counts.

Again not MY dog. But definately YOUR kids by the sound of it.

End of.

I just very peeved when dog lovers solution to dangerous dogs is "modify your and your kids normal behaviour to placate the dangerous dog". Because that is shitty irresponsible behaviour.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 09/07/2023 13:18

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 13:07

@herewegoroundthebastardbush you also don't have a legal obligation to teach your child road safety.

Being a shit parent counts.

Again not MY dog. But definately YOUR kids by the sound of it.

End of.

And yeah right not your dog. You wouldn't be so defensive of dangerous dogs if you didn't have ond yourself.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/07/2023 13:19

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 09/07/2023 12:58

It's really not the job of anyone to modify their behaviour to placate your dog. It's your job to keep your dog away from other people/dogs and under your control. How you do that is your own affair but the second your dog approached someone uninvited you have failed at your job.

Is the position of moral superiority any consolation whilst a kid is in emergency surgery as a direct result of deliberately making them as appealing as possible to an animal with a high prey drive, though?

It's like somebody stepping out in front of a car that isn't slowing down on the basis that the Law says they have to stop and shouldn't have been going that fast in the first place - the fundamental Laws of Physics don't give a shit for moral outrage.

CBAanymoreTBH · 09/07/2023 13:36

supersonicginandtonic · 09/07/2023 11:20

One of my friends has a XL bully and a cane corso, both huge dogs. She also has a 6,3 and 18 month old children.
I have been refusing to go to her house for play dates anymore and she can't understand why. I have grown up with dogs and have 2 myself but I am so nervous around her fifa.

Wise move...idiots saying any dog can bite etc are apologists for a massive & growing problem in the U.K. XL bully's are just big pit bulls...all of these dogs should be legislated against & those sadly already in rescue should be euthanised not rehomed. Nobody stands any real chance in an attach and kicking or hitting will not deter them...quite the opposite. Only defence is to grab the collar to choke it off or even use the sleeve of a hoodie. Look at the statistics in America...then look at dogs advertised online here...the problem is coming this way.

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 13:44

@herewegoroundthebastardbush I definately don't own a dangerous dog. My dog is well trained and socialised. In fact he's a very well loved local celeb 😂😂

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 13:45

@NeverDropYourMooncup she'll just accuse you of having a dangerous dog (or car) 😂

Folioh · 09/07/2023 14:02

GeriatricMumma · 09/07/2023 11:12

@TheoTheopolis23 so you are saying ALL bully breeds are bred for fighting?

Whether a Great Dane or golden retriever is bred for fighting or not is irrelevant - they can and do bite.

What about a GSD or mallinois bred to bite by the police - should they be put to sleep?!

@GeriatricMumma im going to hazard a guess that the police are better at training their dogs than your average young lad with a bully breed he got from a puppy farm.

Carveitup · 09/07/2023 14:06

Dog owners need to be aware of what they are buying and why. Anyone going out of their way to buy a XL Bully (what does the name even mean? XL = extra large and Bully is not a word that most civilised people would want applying to either themselves or their animals. It is specifically designed to conjure up a picture of aggression) is looking to project a certain image. If they just wanted a friendly family dog they would have gone for something with a bit more of a track record in breed traits, performance and personality.

However, it’s not just the Bully owners who have given very little thought to what they are bringing into their family home. If I see one more out of control cockerpoo I will scream - take one of the most intelligent, high energy breeds of dog with a strong drive to pick up birds, and cross it with an extremely high energy hunting dog bred specifically to spend an entire day sniffing out and flushing birds and small animals from even the thickest undergrowth, and you have a highly intelligent dog which needs a job, with an extremely well developed prey drive, bottomless energy, a need for constant interaction with their humans, and an ability to push through or jump over any sort of barrier. And then they are sold as being family pets. It’s a recipe for disaster, and it is only the fact that both spaniels and poodles are generally nice natured that more problems don’t arise.

I ride horses, and I can tell you there are very few breeds that are immune to being out of control around horses. I generally stand my horse still until the stupid owner had managed to catch their dog. The only thing that separates out the idiotic owners who have not put any effort into training their dog is how afraid I am of how much damage the dog could do to much horse. A poodle is far less likely to have the jaw strength to break my horse’s leg than a Bully is. My horse has been trained to tolerate barking dogs (he started his ridden career as a hunt horse in a bloodhound pack and has actually developed a great fondness for dogs) but he has been bitten more than once. I was told by one owner who I was trying to persuade to get his dog off my horse’s hind leg that if my horse kicked the dog it would teach the dog a lesson and he wouldn’t do it again, so he was happy to let nature take it’s course. The ignorance in this was astounding - firstly, in order for my horse to kick a dog he would have to rebel against all the training I had put into him. Kick one dog, might as well kick them all because horses are not clever enough to differentiate between which dog they don’t know that is likely to be bite them and which is not. Finally, it is very likely that the dog wouldn’t bite a horse again if my horse kicked it, because it would probably be dead. And then I would have the problem of having a horse (who at the time worked with dogs) who had form as a dog killer.

Every dog owner should have their dog trained and mannerly in public. If you cannot instil good manners (ie not jumping up and snapping at people running or at other dogs) then you really shouldn’t have a dog. Whatever the breed is. But think really, really hard about buying a breed that can kill a human - one slip up in training and you could be responsible for a very devastating situation. For the majority of people it is just simpler to buy a dog that cannot inflict this sort of damage. The only way to regulate the more dangerous dogs would be to have very strict breeding and ownership licensing laws in place for all dogs. This would probably reduce the number of terribly bred brachycephalic dogs too, but that is a whole nother soapbox issue!