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uneffingbelievable · 2023-07-08T11:45:10+00:00

The world has gone bonkers! Apparently there is a charity who in conjunction with the LGBTQ community have put forward this is the acceptable way for vaginas to be described, so that trans women do not feel excluded. Allegedly to help them come forward for cervical screening for a piece of anatomy they physically do not have. When does this madness stop - the minority seem to have the misled belief that they speak for the majority of women and can rename our bodies. AIBU - I do not have a bonus hole - I am a woman YABU - men can decide what women call their bodies

BodgerLovesMashedPotato · 08/07/2023 22:01

JudgeJ · 08/07/2023 21:38

Gives a whole new meaning to 'bonus ball'!

Why? Where does balls come into it?
Trans men are those who were born with female genitalia, as I said so much confusion around this issue if you didnt realise that.

BodgerLovesMashedPotato · 08/07/2023 22:06

StephanieSuperpowers · 08/07/2023 21:36

What I find astonishing is that we're supposed to find it plausible that someone is so violently dysphoric that they would prefer to die of cervical cancer than have a smear test if the word "vagina" is used, but are able to overcome it enough to get pregnant and and deliver a baby through their...bonus hole.

Just because I don't fully understand why someone would want to be pregnant and go on to give birth doesn't mean I deny trans men existing, I'm not trans so will never fully "get" it.

Prestat · 08/07/2023 22:12

so that trans women do not feel excluded.

It’s ridiculous but it’s so trans men or natal females identifying as non binary do not feel excluded.

Roundandnour · 08/07/2023 22:14

FourTeaFallOut · 08/07/2023 16:18

One solitary example would be relatively easy to produce given we are expected to believe this inclusion of trans language equally applied.

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And roughly 6 hours later there has been nothing

GrabbyGabby · 08/07/2023 22:24

Clymene · 08/07/2023 18:27

So if they're not expected to use them or agree with them, why do they need a glossary?

If I go to the doctor and say that I've got an issue with discharge from my nonnypeg, she'd probably ask me to clarify what I mean by that.

Here's a list of the top 20 terms women use to refer to their vaginas in the U.K.

1	Fanny
2	Down There
3	Bits
4	Vag
5	Downstairs
6	Pussy
7	Foof
8	Lady Bits
9	Minge
10	Private Parts
11	Vajayjay
12	Vagine
13	Foo Foo
14	Muff
15	Privates
16	Beaver
17	Crotch
18	Nunny
19	Girly Bits
20	Lady Parts

Do we think HCPs are given a glossary of these terms for comfort and communication? Nope.

As @FourTeaFallOut says, this is about queering language.

You forgot cunt, ya cunt.

BodegaSushi · 08/07/2023 23:00

Tinkerbyebye · 08/07/2023 14:29

Dies that mean a penis is a bonus pole? Bonus stick?

what do we think

BONUS POLE 💀

BodegaSushi · 08/07/2023 23:01

RudsyFarmer · 08/07/2023 14:38

What are transwomen referring to their penises as in prostrate cancer booklets? Does anyone know?

'Her penis' 🫢

Annaishere · 08/07/2023 23:04

BodegaSushi · 08/07/2023 23:01

'Her penis' 🫢

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Whose mine ?

Catsmere · 09/07/2023 03:37

Rampant misogyny. As is the entire movement.

2mummies1baby · 09/07/2023 07:49

To those saying that transmen must be idiots not to realise they need cervical smear tests, unfortunately medical advice about this has been very poor until recently (and perhaps still is in some places). When I was living in Brighton ten years ago (a place you'd think would have better knowledge of lesbian healthcare than most places), I was told by one nurse that I didn't need to get cervical smear tests as I'd never had sex with a man; another nurse told me she 'had no idea'. It's possible many straight transmen have been told the same thing.

@StephanieSuperpowers , I'd imagine the transmen who are comfortable getting pregnant and giving birth are not the ones who would be reluctant to attend cervical smear tests (any more reluctant than most women, anyway!).

2mummies1baby · 09/07/2023 07:55

Countingdowntodecember · 08/07/2023 19:49

Except you don’t just look bad to people who think being gender critical is akin to being a nazi. You’re actively shutting down important debates with people who would agree, broadly, with many of your points of view.

I’d love to discuss balancing the rights of natal women with the right of trans people to identify how they choose. Toilets, sports, prisons, medical intervention for children etc. They are all so, so important.

Except we can’t have reasonable discussions about any of these issues because people like you jump on any perceived slight with all the frothing and lack of common sense employed by racists claiming ‘you’re not allowed to say merry Christmas anymore!’.

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I totally agree, @Countingdowntodecember.

MyTruthIsOut · 09/07/2023 07:56

2mummies1baby · 09/07/2023 07:49

To those saying that transmen must be idiots not to realise they need cervical smear tests, unfortunately medical advice about this has been very poor until recently (and perhaps still is in some places). When I was living in Brighton ten years ago (a place you'd think would have better knowledge of lesbian healthcare than most places), I was told by one nurse that I didn't need to get cervical smear tests as I'd never had sex with a man; another nurse told me she 'had no idea'. It's possible many straight transmen have been told the same thing.

@StephanieSuperpowers , I'd imagine the transmen who are comfortable getting pregnant and giving birth are not the ones who would be reluctant to attend cervical smear tests (any more reluctant than most women, anyway!).

But how is calling it a “bonus hole” encouraging women to attend smear?

It’s fair enough saying HCP’s need to be aware of the term in case a trans-man uses it, but at the point the person has already turned up for the smear?!

Are trans/men meant to feel encouraged to go because they know they can use the term bonus hole and the HCP will know what it means?

And why is there a word for the vagina but not the cervix? Because I imagine the word cervix needs to be used more frequently than the word vagina does during a smear test?!

TheGoogleMum · 09/07/2023 07:59

Ugh it makes it into a sex hole saying that. Birth canal might be better? Or you know just stick with the correct word - vagina!

2mummies1baby · 09/07/2023 08:38

@MyTruthIsOut

But how is calling it a “bonus hole” encouraging women to attend smear?
Do you mean transmen here? That's who it's meant to encourage. * *

It’s fair enough saying HCP’s need to be aware of the term in case a trans-man uses it, but at the point the person has already turned up for the smear?!
That's a good point! I suppose it's what you say in your next point:
Are trans/men meant to feel encouraged to go because they know they can use the term bonus hole and the HCP will know what it means?

And why is there a word for the vagina but not the cervix? Because I imagine the word cervix needs to be used more frequently than the word vagina does during a smear test?!
Also a good point!

Moonmelodies · 09/07/2023 12:17

I wonder if Salmacian people call it that too.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 09/07/2023 15:31

And what if said HCP feels uncomfortable hearing the word "bonus hole"? They may be survivors of sexual assault and feel highly uncomfortable with such degrading language.

Why not meet halfway if both parties are uncomfortable with the others choice and just agree to use the word you prefer with no pressure to compel the other person to use your choice? That could work. After all I can't imagine - certainly from my own experience I don't think it's ever used after your first procedure - the word vagina is used often during such a short interaction.

I'm guessing however that compromise full stop is problematic for many in this context

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2023 15:35

Do you mean transmen here? That's who it's meant to encourage.

Yes, they are female. The term for an adult human female is "woman". She made it clear that it was a specific group of female people aka women, so no need to be disingenuous.

MyTruthIsOut · 09/07/2023 15:59

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 09/07/2023 15:31

And what if said HCP feels uncomfortable hearing the word "bonus hole"? They may be survivors of sexual assault and feel highly uncomfortable with such degrading language.

Why not meet halfway if both parties are uncomfortable with the others choice and just agree to use the word you prefer with no pressure to compel the other person to use your choice? That could work. After all I can't imagine - certainly from my own experience I don't think it's ever used after your first procedure - the word vagina is used often during such a short interaction.

I'm guessing however that compromise full stop is problematic for many in this context

I’m trying to imagine a HCP and a trans-man sitting in a room chatting away, trying to compromise and find a word they’re both happy to use instead of the word vagina…

”How about Fanny?”
”No, I don’t really like that one, what about ‘downstairs’?”
”Erm, I’m not a fan of that….how about Minnie? My 5 year old niece uses that word?”
”Nah, it makes me think of mice. How about Pussy?”
”Sorry, that one’s too offensive for me. I don’t mind saying Noo-noo though?”

It would be like a Little Britain sketch….

Marchintospring · 09/07/2023 21:34

I’d love to discuss balancing the rights of natal women with the right of trans people to identify how they choose. Toilets, sports, prisons, medical intervention for children etc. They are all so, so important.
Except we can’t have reasonable discussions about any of these issues because people like you jump on any perceived slight with all the frothing and lack of common sense employed by racists claiming ‘you’re not allowed to say merry Christmas anymore!’.

But to be fair the “ you’re not allowed” stance was started by the trans community. Literal violence if you say anything they deem to be anti trans regardless of it being fact/science etc.

A reasonable discussion would be what can be divided by gender and what do we need divided by sex. The gender segregation can be adjusted for the trans community. Sex stays as it is. It’s not exclusionary as no one changes sex.

BandyLionAndDurdock · 09/07/2023 21:50

OK. So I saw this headline and immediately got cross - a vagina is a vagina is a vagina. Doesn’t matter how you identify. It’s anatomy.

Then I read more. This isn’t advice on the language that should be used by health care workers. It’s a list of terms they may encounter. It’s just for information.

To be honest I think it’s good to use the language your clients/patients use. It helps to create a better relationship - as long as everyone is clear what it is you are talking about - no one wants confusion over which bit of your body is getting treated/examined!

YetAnotherSpartacus · 09/07/2023 22:00

To be honest I think it’s good to use the language your clients/patients use. It helps to create a better relationship - as long as everyone is clear what it is you are talking about - no one wants confusion over which bit of your body is getting treated/examined!

no HCP should be required to use porno language and insulting porno terms for women’s anatomy should not be normalised.

JudgeAnderson · 09/07/2023 22:03

To be honest I think it’s good to use the language your clients/patients use

Not when the term is obscene or degrading, which it is in this case.

Clymene · 09/07/2023 22:50

BandyLionAndDurdock · 09/07/2023 21:50

OK. So I saw this headline and immediately got cross - a vagina is a vagina is a vagina. Doesn’t matter how you identify. It’s anatomy.

Then I read more. This isn’t advice on the language that should be used by health care workers. It’s a list of terms they may encounter. It’s just for information.

To be honest I think it’s good to use the language your clients/patients use. It helps to create a better relationship - as long as everyone is clear what it is you are talking about - no one wants confusion over which bit of your body is getting treated/examined!

No. HCPs should use the proper medical terms. The word vagina isn't offensive. It's a term for a body part.

And in fact, having had many many smears over the course of my life, I don't think the HCP has ever said vagina. It's implicit if you're looking at a woman's cervix then you're going to have to put the speculum in her vagina.

Countingdowntodecember · 09/07/2023 23:04

Marchintospring · 09/07/2023 21:34

I’d love to discuss balancing the rights of natal women with the right of trans people to identify how they choose. Toilets, sports, prisons, medical intervention for children etc. They are all so, so important.
Except we can’t have reasonable discussions about any of these issues because people like you jump on any perceived slight with all the frothing and lack of common sense employed by racists claiming ‘you’re not allowed to say merry Christmas anymore!’.

But to be fair the “ you’re not allowed” stance was started by the trans community. Literal violence if you say anything they deem to be anti trans regardless of it being fact/science etc.

A reasonable discussion would be what can be divided by gender and what do we need divided by sex. The gender segregation can be adjusted for the trans community. Sex stays as it is. It’s not exclusionary as no one changes sex.

Yes. And their stance is just as infuriating/damaging.

I don’t care whether anyone believes that someone can change gender, or if they think it’s 100% impossible. I care about being able to have real discussions about important issues without wading through a load of pointless vitriol from both sides.

HCP’s knowing that some trans men might call their vagina a ‘bonus hole’ doesn’t fall into this category… it’s just daily mail level outrage for outrage sake.

Greeneyedminx · 09/07/2023 23:49

This is getting more and more like The Emperor’s New Clothes story every day.

soon it will actually become an offence to be an adult female human being, God knows people are trying their very best to eradicate us all from this world!!!

it starts off by calling us cis women, re-naming our body parts, allowing trans women into our private spaces, allowing children to believe they can change sex if they want to, degrading women constantly.
Why they don’t soon line us up and kill us off is a mystery to me.

I’m all for people being who they want to be, but not to the detriment of half of the population.

I can’t see this madness stopping anytime soon unfortunately, I despair for my daughters and my grandchildren, if this insanity is not stopped and people wake up to the damage and misery it is causing women, both now and in the future.