Bonus holes

[uneffingbelievable]

The world has gone bonkers!
Apparently there is a charity who in conjunction with the LGBTQ community have put forward this is the acceptable way for vaginas to be described, so that trans women do not feel excluded.
Allegedly to help them come forward for cervical screening for a piece of anatomy they physically do not have.

When does this madness stop - the minority seem to have the misled belief that they speak for the majority of women and can rename our bodies.

AIBU - I do not have a bonus hole - I am a woman
YABU - men can decide what women call their bodies

I am so done enabling this ideology by giving into their demands on nomenclature. It can't be clearer that they hate women.

What is ridiculous is that the charity feels the need to publish this crap in the first place @Countingdowntodecember

And yes we absolutely should be outraged when scarce resources are being diverted to virtue signalling to a tiny percentage. And I will continue to draw attention to it because it's the only way questions get asked. Companies are withdrawing from the stonewall index because women have drawn attention to what a massive time sapping expensive scam it is.

This is just the same but on a smaller scale.

Clymene

Agreed. Unless this is going to cause enough distress that they will then avoid health care. The doctors my elderly mum sees phrase things in certain ways so as to not make her so anxious she goes back to avoiding health care workers.

You’d be surprised how many people can’t cope with medical terminology and that, for them, it creates a strong physiological reaction (disgust, fear etc) that leads them to avoid health care.

There are lots of reasons for this - phobia, trauma, body dysmorphia. Of course to get over these things exposure is the key and continued avoidance keeps it going or even makes it worse, but that’s a therapists/psychologists role, not a nurse or doctor. Pushing people too fast, can be so much worse. Much better if health care workers are sensitive and work with people where they are at, not where they/society thinks they should be.

it starts off by calling us cis women, re-naming our body parts, allowing trans women into our private spaces, allowing children to believe they can change sex if they want to, degrading women constantly.
Why they don’t soon line us up and kill us off is a mystery to me.

Cos they need us as 'gestational carriers'. And for validation - you can't validate your identity as a woman, if there aren't any adult human females in the changing room/toilet/ whatever you've colonised. Oh, and because some people's identities are only satisfying if non consenting others are forced to witness them. The non consenting bit is the thrill, so I'm told. But otherwise yeah.

Apparently... According to Jo's cervical cancer charity who actually put the idea forward

@StefanosHill Sorry just saw the notification for your question. I don't know if there's a version of the glossary for male anatomy, I doubt it though as it's a cervical cancer charity. I could be wrong though

Your reply seems to think I give a damn, sorry to disappoint!

I read this today and thought it was a hoax!

FFS! If you were born with a vagina, you were born with a vagina.

You can identify with whatever you want to but the facts remain that that hole is a vagina and I don’t understand how that is offensive you anyone who identifies as a man.

It’s funny that the word penis isn’t offensive yet the word vagina is.
I can’t imagine them changing testicular cancer terminology any time soon.

I think it's excellent that these nutters keep coming up with this shit as it discredits all this utter stupidity.

Honestly I don’t really care what terms anyone would prefer to use to describe their own genitals.

Saw this linked on Twitter the other day and felt repulsion and rage.

Such a disgusting term

Oooookay 🙄😂

You know what is really disgusting? That NO trans person actually wants this or likes it or is offended by vaginas being called vaginas.
It's just a propaganda to make people feel scared and defensive and go against trans people.
And then someone like OP reports it here and people go and clutch their pearls and ridicult trans people, while this is not an actual thing at all.
I would not be surprised if the 'news' was not written by an anti-trans person just to put more people off supporting trans rights.

You'd better go and tell LGBT Foundation they're all horrible transphobes then as they wrote the guidance.

Just adding the link here again to prove it wasn't made up

www.jostrust.org.uk/professionals/health-professionals/nurse-gp/trans-non-binary/language

Have you read your source or you could not be bothered?
They offer the word as an alternative only for people who want to use it, not for the whole of the population. I don't feel threatened if a small part of trans people want to call their bits whatever they want. They don't want to force all women to stop using the word vagina, you got to be extra thick to misinterpret what they are saying, but it's easy to twist people's words like that as we can see from this thread.

Eh?
You said NO trans person actually wants this or likes it or is offended by vaginas being called vaginas.

And then said it was probably made up by people to make trans people look bad.

I haven't twisted anything you said, I was merely correcting you.

I am still getting my head around that going to the toilet is an 'expression of gender'. To me it is handle a perfectly natural bodily function and the differences in design between male and female loos reflect the biology\body parts involved (no matter how disgusting you find them) which allow an efficient through flow of people without losing too much of your dignity.

But somehow having a penis whilst pretending to be a woman now means you need a cubicle?

I said 100% people I know who are trans are not offended by the word vagina, and none want bonus hole to be universally used. Some may want to call their bits differently, but they are not offended by the actual word as used by others. But if you dont understand that I am not surprised you and most in this thread are outraged.
So no, there is no trans ploy to replace the word vagina with bonus holes and it's the lieks of the OP who make it seem like it is without being able to understand what they are quoting.

Does anyone think it’s a government experiment and why ?

I know it’s not the point but I can’t wait to get a new boyfriend… ask him if tonight he wants to sink something in my bonus hole and then whip out a brochure for fancy mini golf.

ffs… I’ve had five kids, it is a 100% bona fide OG hole.

We can all read what you wrote @CrocodileOenophile. Just in case anyone missed it as you're now backpedalling so madly, here's your post that I was responding to:

You know what is really disgusting? That NO trans person actually wants this or likes it or is offended by vaginas being called vaginas.
It's just a propaganda to make people feel scared and defensive and go against trans people.
And then someone like OP reports it here and people go and clutch their pearls and ridicult trans people, while this is not an actual thing at all.
I would not be surprised if the 'news' was not written by an anti-trans person just to put more people off supporting trans rights.

You think people want to use it as a scarecrow against trans people.

First you said no trans people would say this and it was all made up by nasty transphobes.

Then, when I demonstrated that the source of the advice for this glossary is an LGBT organisation advising a women's cancer charity, you said that no one was saying everyone should use the odious (look it up) term bonus hole, or that it was a trans ploy. No one has alleged that at any point on this thread. Not one person. So that's a totally irrelevant argument.

Now you're saying no trans people you know use the term bonus hole. I'm glad to hear that! But that isn't what you originally said is it? You said - in CAPITALS - NO trans person actually wants this or likes this.

Now you're saying that some people may want to use that term and it's a personal choice.

I agree. While I think it's a hideous term and women who use it have horrific internalised misogyny, it's up to people what term they use to refer to their genitals. But what isn't up to them is what other people use to refer to their genitals in a healthcare environment. And it is unreasonable to expect HCPs to not use proper medical terminology for all women, no matter what their identity.

So I think we probably agree.

And perhaps if you'd read the thread properly rather than jumping in huffing and puffing, you'd have understood that. But you know, while I don't like to cast aspersions on anyone's intelligence, if there's a thick person in this conversation, it's not me.

You are so, so offensive. Comparing women who believe in biological reality to Nazis, and suggesting that this extremely influential group of people who want to force others to go along with their ideas about the world to Jews in Nazi Germany?

Society would be less divided if TRAs didn't keep trying to force everyone else to toe their party line. And when in the world has anyone blamed trans people for government failings?

Just to be clear, people not agreeing with you is not the same as genocide. FFS.