Bonus holes

[uneffingbelievable]

The world has gone bonkers!
Apparently there is a charity who in conjunction with the LGBTQ community have put forward this is the acceptable way for vaginas to be described, so that trans women do not feel excluded.
Allegedly to help them come forward for cervical screening for a piece of anatomy they physically do not have.

When does this madness stop - the minority seem to have the misled belief that they speak for the majority of women and can rename our bodies.

AIBU - I do not have a bonus hole - I am a woman
YABU - men can decide what women call their bodies

Gosh, this comment section is fucking vile.

I can see you believe this is simply operating as a translating tool to ease communication and aid comfort.

And I could demonstrate how you can chart phrases like chest feeding and pregnant person from this point and then watch its mode of operation change to a more common form of usage. One where it becomes a regular paring in which it sits alongside the common phrase "breastfeeding/ chest feeding" in nhs literature and sometimes consumes the common form completely - "cervix havers" etc.

How so?

So if they're not expected to use them or agree with them, why do they need a glossary?

If I go to the doctor and say that I've got an issue with discharge from my nonnypeg, she'd probably ask me to clarify what I mean by that.

Here's a list of the top 20 terms women use to refer to their vaginas in the U.K.

1	Fanny
2	Down There
3	Bits
4	Vag
5	Downstairs
6	Pussy
7	Foof
8	Lady Bits
9	Minge
10	Private Parts
11	Vajayjay
12	Vagine
13	Foo Foo
14	Muff
15	Privates
16	Beaver
17	Crotch
18	Nunny
19	Girly Bits
20	Lady Parts

Do we think HCPs are given a glossary of these terms for comfort and communication? Nope.

As @FourTeaFallOut says, this is about queering language.

If we're rebranding, I think pulp fiction had it right with "the holiest of holies" but I'm going to stick with having a vaginal thanks

The real word for it is horrible as well

Another stick to degrade biological women with.
It's fucking sickening.
It's time now that us biological women started kicking this shit into the long grass.
Start by refusing to participate in this nonsense. Pull up anyone who refers to the female anatomy as anything but the correct term.
Pull up anyone who refers to breastfeeding as anything other than breastfeeding, and so on.
I do.

Would it not be trans men that may want to use the term? Presumably because they don’t want to reference their vagina since it reminds them that they were born with female body parts?

I think using any term that makes people comfortable enough to go for smear tests is appropriate, as long as it’s not being used exclusively (which the quote from @user1471517900, and common sense, suggests isn’t the case).

Honestly, threads like these do so much damage to gender critical arguments.

I don't see this as being quite the same as those terms, in that it's more obviously derogatory, as opposed to just trying to make a female term gender neutral, but I understand your concern.

Why would they need one, there's nothing on that list I haven't heard before, but I'd never heard the term bonus hole before the Jo's Trust furore.

I don't dispute there is a movement out there that wants to queer language or erase women, I just don't think this one particular piece of communication by a small charity is the appropriate target for all this vitriol. God knows there are enough other TRA travesties out there to get angry at.

@Countingdowntodecember do you expect HCPs to use any of the terms on that list I provided to make their clients more comfortable?

If not, why not?

I've put YABU as you are clearly confused - it refers to trans men, not trans women
As in people who were born female.
If they want to refer to it as that, I say let them crack on - horrible term imo but each to their own.
No one has said it refers to trans women, (people who were born men) so not sure why people are saying it refers to them when it doesn't.
I just don't get sone going off on one in disgust if they don't understand what is being discussed in the first place, you'd think you'd try to find out first.

Exactly
Surely if it is a term that makes people feel more included they'd be more likely to go for a smear and that's surely a good thing?!

Oh no. Trying to resist porn influenced derogatory terms for women's genitals might make us look bad among people who already call us nazis.

Yes. I would expect them to use whatever term made their patient more comfortable. I recently attended a GP appointment with my grandma (she has hearing problems so asks someone to attend all appointments with her).

She referred to her vagina as her ‘lady parts’ and the doctor managed to humour her and use the language she found comfortable. It’s not medically correct, but that’s nowhere near as important as making people comfortable enough to attend necessary medical appointments.

The difference is "lady parts" isn't wildly offensive like "bonus hole".

It’s strange as the word ‘bonus’ is typically associated with something good!!

So where’s the logic that a vagina is replaced with a word that implies the hole is a good thing? Surely trans-men feel the exact opposite about their vagina?

And its definition alone shows that the parts belong to a lady I.e a female body.

Agreed.

Except you don’t just look bad to people who think being gender critical is akin to being a nazi. You’re actively shutting down important debates with people who would agree, broadly, with many of your points of view.

I’d love to discuss balancing the rights of natal women with the right of trans people to identify how they choose. Toilets, sports, prisons, medical intervention for children etc. They are all so, so important.

Except we can’t have reasonable discussions about any of these issues because people like you jump on any perceived slight with all the frothing and lack of common sense employed by racists claiming ‘you’re not allowed to say merry Christmas anymore!’.

This.

I'd like to know where this person stands too.

As a HCO what if I'm uncomfortable using this word? Or is that not important?

Yeah, it's definitely the fault of women like me. Definitely.

The story you mention about the charity (which unfortunately you don't provide a link for) will, I imagine, be about the charity supporting the NHS in encouraging transmen to come forward for potentially life-saving cervical smear tests, as many transmen are either very unwilling to attend these, or don't even realise they should
Exactly
People being encouraged to come forward for a smear test is a good thing in my eyes, and why am I not surprised context was left out?
Would also like a link to the actual story so we can see what it's actually about, instead of a thread full of misinformation and confusion.

Sorry I don't understand the vote but my vagina is not a bonus hole it's an annoying pain.