Bonus holes

[uneffingbelievable]

The world has gone bonkers!
Apparently there is a charity who in conjunction with the LGBTQ community have put forward this is the acceptable way for vaginas to be described, so that trans women do not feel excluded.
Allegedly to help them come forward for cervical screening for a piece of anatomy they physically do not have.

When does this madness stop - the minority seem to have the misled belief that they speak for the majority of women and can rename our bodies.

AIBU - I do not have a bonus hole - I am a woman
YABU - men can decide what women call their bodies

Nobody is asking you to use this term, the glossary is there so that you will know what the trans man is talking about if they use it.

Is there something incredibly stupid about transmen do you think @NImumconfused?

I mean why do you think of all the groups of women, they are incapable of communicating with an HCP?

This is clearly how it is outlined. I think a lot of the faux outrage is from people who have not actually read the leaflet. The context is clear. It is to help HCP know what transmen and NB patients are refering to when they come in for smears or gynae tests.

I suspect being trans/ NB is quite disorientating and having to have any sort of genital exam could be quite distressing. So they may crack inappropriate jokes - which if you're a HCP you then have to decipher in order to give appropriate treatment.

These sort of glossaries could be expanded to a whole range of topics (not just around trans issues) where people may come up with some euphemism that needs deciphering to explain a body part. Surely helping HCPs understand what their patients are on about helps everyone? I'm clearly getting old as I can't understand half of what teens and early 20-somethings say - and that's outside a medical context where clarity is really vital.

@Clymene I actually find it quite worrying that apparently someone who is incapable of using the correct terminology for a body part, is deemed to have capacity to decide to get other healthy body parts surgically removed.

VAGINA! It’s a vagina. Your vagina cannot identify out of being your vagina. They can go fuck themselves. I can see how you could have a bonus nipple.

Agree with this, if I were a HCP I’d want to use words that are accurate and understandable by everyone. Plus bonus hole is a revolting phrase.

Why on earth do transmen not realise they should attend cervical screenings? Maybe if they stopped deludedly calling their vaginas 'bonus holes' they'd be a little more clued up. This is why ackowledging and naming sex and sexual anatomy is so important, cervical cancer doesn't care if you identify as a man 🙄

I’m a man, and I think it’s bloody awful.
Who on Earth thought this was acceptable?!

It's a glossary that encourages healthcare staff to lean in to the dysphoria of transmen by adopting the same hateful language they use to describe their body. This is how we arrived at pregnant person and chestfeeding.

Meanwhile I am still waiting for an example of comparison where the dysphoric language used by others with dysmorphia is promoted as a tool to ease discomfort.

But surely, if the trans-man wants to use the term “bonus hole” then it infers the HCP should have to use it too?

What if during a conversation or during the examination the HCP needs to make reference to the vagina, are they supposed to refer to it as a bonus hole too as that is the person’s preferred term?

What a disgrace. Why are trans getting cervical screening when women should be having the appointments? Or why are they taking up the time for cervical screening organisation? Bonus hole …truly horrid. What is the penis called that trans men get? Bonus stick? Bonus worm? Of course men don’t have these horrid terms applied to them , it’s just women. If trans women had a bag of blood and clots randomly gush with pain from their bonus hole for five to seven days a month I wonder if being a woman would be a popular choice - I guess not.

... a generation ago, people like you would have called gay people mentally ill.

What counselling stage are you referring to please? There does not need to be any counselling before young people embark on medical transitioning - whether because it's non-existent, unavailable, or the young person can avoid it by getting their drugs online.

My 20yr old trans son has only had the privilege of counselling because we could afford and sought out private therapy for him - there was no free, NHS counselling available or easily accessible, when he transferred his private prescription to the NHS.

Certainly no counselling (pro or against transition) before he started taking testosterone, why would the private online service (for which he saved the £££s it costed him) try to deter him and deny themselves a profit??

I can't imagine that they'll be much counselling for him either, when he saves enough to afford his double mastectomy 😢

For those who say "it's only language for transmen to refer to themselves", fuck that. Encouraging this kind of usage is like trying to normalise "ladydick".

Actually it's to avoid upsetting trans men, who do in fact have a cervix, and is only meant to be advice for medical professionals dealing with that specific client group. It's been taken out of context. I still think it's madness that the perceived sensitivities of this specific minority group should be given so much consideration or attention when so much basic health care for women is lacking.

a generation ago, people like you would have called gay people mentally ill.

Not at all. Apples and oranges.

I thought this was a topic about bonuses 🙄

A generation ago we didn't trans away the gay through affirmative health care.

A quick google search can get you the link.

Thank you for being honest about the lack of counselling offered. This is something that needs to be fixed within the trans community. It would help them to be aware that regardless of how they transition bio health checks are still required.

Charities should be promoting and campaigning for proper treatment rather than trying to change wording.

It’s horrific really that people can either self medicate on cross sex drugs without additional medical involvement, or be given private prescriptions without anything else in place.

And thank you for answering a question that I have asked countless times on sm about the lack of medical treatment.

And why not exactly? Does trans men also require for the docs to call their new penis, a bonus stick?

Reconstructed vagina or something like this should be a proper term then?

Gordon Brown, is that you? Didn’t learn anything then.

I don’t think it’s all that, it’s more like a personality disorder than anything else

Just proves the extent of their body dysmorphia if 'bonus holes' is how they view a vagaina.

The exact opposite of that in fact.

If you want to use that analogy it's more like the HCP being given a glossary of terms used on a pro-ana website. They're not expected to use them or agree with them, but it's helpful to know what they mean when you're dealing with someone with an eating disorder.

No, I don't think they're stupid, I think they have a mental health problem that makes it difficult for them to engage with some types of healthcare.