Men’s Asylum seeker accommodation next to school

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I feel quite ashamed by how I feel but want to know if it warranted.

There has been an announcement that a 500 men’s asylum seeker accommodation is going ahead against councils decision (it was overruled on a national scale). This is Stafford btw

It will be butted up to (no gap) to my DCs school and opposite a nursery. It’s not because they are asylum seekers that concerns me. It’s the fact it’a 500 men unit, with many with no known history / criminal records/ mental state.

I work over an hour away and currently my daughter who is 12 walks to the bus etc, she also does after school clubs then walks home alone. Most parents at the school are talking about moving their kids but in reality and logistically that’s not going to happen.

I genuinely feel scared for her safety. AIBU?
Its the location of it that’s wrong and the fact the council stated issues and concerns so refused it but got overruled by the government…

500 men with unknown backgrounds, from cultures where girls are seen as lower status and be married. Most of those countries have high sex crimes against children and women. These men are going to be unemployed and hanging around. My cousin lives in Liverpool, they've had big problems with them grooming local teen girls. There's been fighting and protests from the locals. It's shocking how the government tells us to accommodate, without caring what happens to our children.

The idea that this is all caused by liberals is ridiculous. We've had a right wing government that's getting more right wing by the minute for 13 years.

This is caused by the right wing government pretending to be "hard" on immigration by ignoring it, allowing backlogs to build up, putting no facilities or systems in place. When we did have liberals in charge it simply wasn't a problem in the way it is now.

How is it even possible to suggest "liberals" are to blame for this when we've had a very right wing government for over a decade? How does that make any sense, liberals have had literally no power in this country for years.

I was very much a "be kind, they are vulnerable, they won't do any harm, everyone is a racist" until a local hotel was used as temp accommodation, its now permanent pretty much as its been about 3 years. So I was a true NIMBY and I feel very embarrassed now at some of the arguments id had with friends and family.

After about 2 weeks of the first intake I was followed on my way home past the hotel from a night out and called at to see if id like "a good time" (a taxi driver pulled up and they just sauntered back into the hotel not a care in the world), a friends DS had his phone and trainers robbed by a group of around 7 of them, there's constant reports of burglary on the community Facebook and there are often groups of 15-20 of them just hanging around the local shops.

Its really intimidating op. I'm sorry you're in this position

YANBU.

Part of the problem with this is the lack of community.

We've developed a society where men's basest instincts are curbed by community. Their worst behaviour has to be kept under wraps for fear of censure.

When there is no community, there's no censure, and bad behaviour spirals.

500 people forced into close contact is not the same as community.
We need to be supporting such developments by building community in them- organising leaders, locals connected to the culture to help mentor them. Can't be done on a shoestring.

At risk of this in the UK in the temp accommodation?!

Sorry to answer your op if it was my DD, based on my experiences personally and otherwise, there's simply not a chance she'd be going anywhere on her own for a long time.

If she has no choice it might be worth looking into some self defence classes or showing her how to hold her key in her knuckles, carry a mini deodorant spray in her pocket to spray in eyes, get a tracking app on her phone, make sure she knows to shout "fire" instead of help etc.

Yes, but you can't really have proper community without women and children.

What are the reasons no women are coming? In every other humanitarian crisis, women and children tend to be evacuated first, while the men stay to fight/work. Apologies if I should know, but why is this so different? Where are the women and children? (I know there are some, but where are the rest?)

My fancy private school was located across from army barracks.

I don't remember anyone having any issues at all.

It might not be as bad as you think OP

😆 Do you know how much work the Army puts into keeping the men under control and what the penalties are for causing trouble in the community?

It is absolutely recognised by the Army that large groups of men cause harm and loads of work is done to prevent it. Even then it still happens a lot, plus often their wives and children live on the garrison with them.

The issue is that in some cultures girls from 13 are seen as women. White women/girls are seen as fair game. As once was in our society. Read the thread on the most inappropriate thing to happen, the men in the 70/80's wasn't pedophiles, the attitudes around teen girls was different. It's a mind set. There doesn't seem to be any education going on in these centers. They've brushed over the issues in Knowsley. The police went into denial. Stayed with that, but then admitted that they did have to speak to some men about sexually harassing children and then moved the men. Ask African women about African men, most women's first sexual encounter is as a child/adult man and the men don't face consequences. There can be cultural differences at play in regards to attitudes towards women.

A true head scratcher 🤣🤣🤣🤣

No @MichelleScarn you asked what crimes they may be victims of, I assumed you mean what crimes they are fleeing?

they are prob at risk of exploitation in the U.K. (esp considering HO have lost children and have housed as young as 9 solo in hotels).

I cannot think of any situation where 500 men just lingering with nothing to do, no money etc wouldn’t cause an issue. Govt policy needs to change.

Not my experience at all. I've been in my local homeless hostel for men, many times. My experience is that the men are extremely anxious and shy. Before COVID we used to visit with buffet food and chat to them. Only a few would come and chat, others would stick their head round the door, then disappear very quickly. They are used to being treated as invisible or rejected and insulted so are very wary of others ( even a majority women group with an average age of over 60).
We used to leave the food out so that they could come and help themselves once we had left.

@Yea2023 confusion then! I assumed the 'they're more likely to be victims of crime' meant here because the poster was talking about perceived behaviour here towards young females.

I'd hate this too, sadly speaking out about it will get you labelled a bigot and whatever else. 500 young men without any background checks probably bored shitless in close confines from cultures with varying views on women and girls is a recipe for disaster.

It's not racist to say 500 aimless young men cause trouble.
It's not racist to point out these are men who can afford to pay thousands to people traffickers to come here illegally so not likely they are fleeing for their lives they believe they will have a better life here, still happy to do that illegally.
The people who really do need asylum cannot afford to pay thousands and we are busy justifying the men who have so don't pay attention to those who may need help.
Judges stymie the home office in every policy they try to put in place so the people smugglers and economic migrants think we all do want them here and won't be able to do anything anyway.

Plus those men are kept occupied. The Army knows very well what happens when large groups of men have nothing to do, this is why all the nonsense work is created.

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I think YABU. On the basis that in the uk there is such a low conviction rate doe sex crimes so there are 500 men with unknown histories within the vicinity of every school anyway.

I'd wait and see. If their behaviour is in any way intimidating or threatening then fine to consider moving her.

@kirbykirby imagine the uproar... I think the Richmond folk would definitely complain about it.

I'm going to be honest I wouldn't like it and I won't lie the fact thay is men would make me feel uneasy too. I do agree they have to go some where but there's lots of land waste all over the country its not really acceptable next to a school.

@Swrigh1234 you hit the nail on the head.

Not at all miniegg3 you are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else.

Wasn't it Liverpool where the little girl (think she was about 14?) filmed an asylum seeker pestering her for sex while she was on her way to school? He said 'I don't care' when she told him her age.

500 bored men all in one place next to young girls is not a good idea. Certainly when they are from parts of the world which are very culturally different and women are regarded as less than human, mere baby making machines whose value lies only in their chastity (and western women are considered whores for not covering up and doing things like being out without a male guardian) you're bound to get more than a frisson of tension.

Mumsnet is always fiercely pro mass immigration on one hand, but on the other hand never take into account the effect of having significant numbers of people arriving with a very different stance on the rights of women. It will alter our political landscape and the world isn't a great place for women as it is.

I have to admit I laughed out loud at Simon Reeve the travel presenter. I think it was his documentary about Greece, where he saw a boatload of illegal migrants on camera and he couldn't wait to play the good Samaritan (they were well dressed, had mobile phones and could clearly afford to pay people smugglers). Shortly after first seeing them land, the film crew put the women immigrants in the car and were driving them to the local town and the car was stopped by a group of very aggressive male immigrants who didn't give a shit that the film crew were trying to assist, just that women are not allowed to be with men they don't know in case they are defiled by the presence of western men.

He just had no clue what he was dealing with. He had no clue about just how alien our western culture is and how unwelcome. It's well worth a watch to see how woefully lacking in understanding many westerners are when the try to 'help'.

A lot of men in that unit will literally hate our liberal way of life and consider women less than. We're all too busy wallowing in be kind, and guilt over empire to take a step back and say, actually there is value in our liberalism in the UK, there is value in the forward march of women's rights and that needs protection.

Pim Fortuyn believed in protecting the liberal culture of the Netherlands and he literally died for believing in those freedoms. In France, women are being physically assaulted for not covering up. I think it was last summer a lady was punched in the face for wearing a mini skirt. Look at the events in Cologne a few years ago. I nearly cried listening to one sexual assault survivor from that night talking about the many many hands all over her body grabbing her, tearing her clothes off. Dozens of men trying to grope her. In all of those men, not one tried to stop the assault, because to them it was completely justified, she was just a blond western whore out in public. So she deserved it. I wonder is Angela Merkel stopped for one second to consider the safety of the average German women when she gave out a free pass to a over million migrants. I wonder how many people will actually stop and listen to the testimony of those women, the very real victims of ill thought through migration policy.

I doubt the people clamouring for mass immigration stop for a second to think about being kind to women and certainly not to a bunch of teenage girls in Stafford. You can't get woke points for worrying about women's rights or protecting liberal culture. Nobody is going to give you a follow on Twitter for that.

There is value in migration. It isn't a dirty word. However is does need to be properly managed to ensure there isn't a major impact on the culture of the UK. At some stage the cognitive dissonance needs to stop, people need to stop yelling racism and actually have a sane and sensible conversation around migration and the very real impact of it. Obviously in this case putting 500 men next to a school, that simply has not happened.

I think this is wrong though. You can't assume that these people aren't in real danger or living in sheer poverty they probably are living in poverty. Who told you they have paid thousands to seek asylum?

Maybe the confusion is on my part?

TBF, some will become victims here because having 500 unrelated men with nothing to do from different cultures, languages, backgrounds n shit conditions is a recipe for disaster.
I’ve heard strangers crammed into room shares - not great when some/most will have some trauma.

But that’s the govt fault and not OP’s problem. And I’m not unconvinced they aren’t doing this on purpose to create a bigger issue.

I'll be honest, it would concern me too. An army base(or anything similar)would as well, even if the risk reduces slightly since most of them would be working /otherwise engaged during school hours and drop off/pick up times.

It's a men issue, not an asylum seeking issue.