Men’s Asylum seeker accommodation next to school

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I feel quite ashamed by how I feel but want to know if it warranted.

There has been an announcement that a 500 men’s asylum seeker accommodation is going ahead against councils decision (it was overruled on a national scale). This is Stafford btw

It will be butted up to (no gap) to my DCs school and opposite a nursery. It’s not because they are asylum seekers that concerns me. It’s the fact it’a 500 men unit, with many with no known history / criminal records/ mental state.

I work over an hour away and currently my daughter who is 12 walks to the bus etc, she also does after school clubs then walks home alone. Most parents at the school are talking about moving their kids but in reality and logistically that’s not going to happen.

I genuinely feel scared for her safety. AIBU?
Its the location of it that’s wrong and the fact the council stated issues and concerns so refused it but got overruled by the government…

During the Iraq war we had lots housed in our local ymca and it was horrific, constant cat calling by groups of men "want to get jiggy jiggy' and when my Muslim friend shouted something back he chased her, lucky she could run, we were 13 and dreaded having to walk pass there everyday.

@Zipidydodah good post.

Number's and volume are important because there is more encouragement for smaller numbers of people to fit in and assimilate with their host cultures values.
When very large no are involved then it means they don't have too and it can cause issues if they are from places with different values and attitudes.

Disclaimer: work in asylum. Generally proimmigration.

500 is nothing. We are getting more than that in a day! Last year, we were having days where 1000 people came in a day.

Everyone complains that they don't want an asylum hotel near them, but where else can they accommodate so many new people, so frequently.

And getting your decision quickly means bugger all... they get stuck in the local authority accommodation queue and either end up prioritised for homelessness accommodation or bed blocking in asylum accommodation...

System is broken and cannot cope with the capacity.

I’m genuinely interested here, what has changed?
Where are all these people coming from all of a sudden? Where will the go ultimately? What is different from 10/20 years ago. Are there more asylum seekers or less places for them?

@PriamFarrl
Lots of things, I definitely do not have all the answers, but a few points below are fairly agreed upon.

Rise of the small boats as a preffered trafficking route. Previously there was an emphasis on lorries over the chanel. Comparatively easier to manage this compared to the small boats.

Big uptick after Brexit for a couple of reasons. Many people moving through southern to northern Ireland. Accommodation capacity has increased near ten fold over there.

Since brexit we were cut out of a system where we could return 25% of asylum seekers to EU if they had an active claim in another country. We now end up as the 'last resort' and see a LOT of people who have had a failed claim in say, Germany, who then travel to see if they can get leave to remain in the UK.

Also, a big driving factor is rise of easy, casual, employment in the UK. Deliveroo and uber eats are the most common. It is very common (daily) to visit a person's home and see delivery bags or ebikes. There have been raids on these companies, but its still ridiculously easy for someone undocumented to get a cash wage.

Loads more reasons regarding global uncertainty etc etc, but you could write multiple books on the reasons.

If one person with a fairly common surname registers with Uber eats, it is absolutely impossible for the company to monitor. Who physically does the job it’s the same with taxidrivers it’s been going on for decades. It’s why I don’t really feel that my children are any safer getting into a taxi or an Uber than they are walking home to be quite honest.

According to this they were already earmarked for social housing
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12412393/Council-buys-homes-Afghan-Ukrainian-refugees-newbuild-estate.html

Thank you for your reply. It seems to be on such a massive scale now compared to even 5 years ago.

It’s rather ironic that Brexit, which was to stop immigrants has caused this problem to be worse.

Both my neighbouring houses are council houses.

One side is white British, one side is Afghan refugees. Guess which family has a front lawn full of rubbish and has spent the afternoon shouting and calling each other cunts?

Rise of the small boats as a preffered trafficking route. Previously there was an emphasis on lorries over the chanel. Comparatively easier to manage this compared to the small boats.

Also those coming in lorries were not easily photographable or filmable - the visibility of the small boats is a gift to divisive shitstirrers.

Irregular immigration needs to tackled of course.

No-one but the worst type of politicians and journalists benefits from whipping up high feelings - the average taxpayer has been completely shafted by the Tories who have pushed the costs up and created the backlog, all so they can stand and point at the problem the government themselves created.

It's infuriating and depressing.

But the boys she meets at school won't be undocumented, rootless young men who've left their home country for unknown reasons. No doubt some are genuine refugees, but the majority are clearly economic migrants. Others come to the UK to work in the drugs trade, or in prostitution. Many only leave their home country in the first place because they're wanted by the police.

Virtually every photo or video I have seen shows boatloads of fit young men. Even the BBC, which is left-wing and on the side of the migrants, can't seem to find images of women and children and old people (and you can be sure they look hard, since they want to portray the migrants in the best possible light). So you have all these young men, with no sexual partners and no sexual outlet, dumped on a small town or village. It's a recipe for disaster.

ridiculous. you almost feel like the government is doing these batshit things on purpose to stir up anti immigration sentiment (its a proven vote winner after all!).

adult men in large numbers should not be housed near schools/women's shelters etc. etc.

According to this they were already earmarked for social housing

I think you'll find people will claim they're not put in social housing at least until they've been through the process and granted some kind of right to remain

It isn't true, as our local council's use of social properties for the newly arrived shows, but still the claim keeps being repeated ... a bit like "the UK refused to have an application centre in France" when actually it was the French themselves who resisted it, believing it would produce too much of a pull factor

Does crack me up when ppl say more will come over due to climate change People who say this have never lived in an overheating social housing flat Climate change will make a lot of British properties uninhabitable They already get up to the temp that its illegal to transport animals in,

https://twitter.com/chesterkopagain/status/1689644410928234496?s=20

I live in a city of half a million people, there are currently 25 properties available to bid for on the council housing list.
Im not a mathematician and correct me if I’m wrong but I work that out as the council can provide housing to the 0.005% most desperate people in a city that’s supposed to be civilised??
I’ve known people to be on the list for over 10 years in over crowded homes, they would have bit your hand off for a room on a barge or anywhere else, 3 meals a day included plus day trips and not having to kill yourself all day everyday in some shit job??
If they don’t like it they can go home to where they’ve left their wives, sisters, children,parents.
These men are not refugees or asylum seekers,if they were they would be bringing their babies with them not leaving behind in some god forsaken place.
They are economic migrants and our economy is already fucked.
They need to go home and put in the work to make their own places better.
We have nowhere to put all these people.
Ukrainian refugees are mostly women and children. The men have stayed to fight for their country and freedom, when they win all the women and children will go home.
The war in France ended in 1945.
they have more money than I do for boat trips that’s for sure, I can’t even afford to get my passport renewed so my boyfriend can legally take me to Tenerife for a week for my birthday.
These men have £££ to pay traffickers to cross the channel??
10k barely pays most people rent for a year in this county but they have cash to hand over??
economy can’t be that bad where they’re coming from can it

See, there is clearly a lot of misunderstandings about asylum, refugees etc etc.

Refugee Resettlement programs (Syrians, Afghans and Hong Kong) will directly accommodate newly arrived refugees (i.e. they have some form of leave to remain) in local authority accommodation.

Asylum seekers who require accommodation will be accommodated in Home Office accommodation. Unless they are under 18, they CANNOT be accommodated in local authority accommodation. Having said that, Home office and Local authority often bid for the same accommodation, so it's the same pressure on houses.

Also, at the end of someone's asylum claim, an overwhelming majority will be in receipt of local authority accommodation, so the pressure is on LA regardless.

We had the bizarre situation not long ago where the Home Office Refugee Team (for Ukrainians) were in a bidding war with the Home Office asylum team...

More hotel staff to lose their jobs
https://www.wigantoday.net/news/people/wigans-plushest-hotel-kilhey-court-is-to-house-asylum-seekers-4261135

Apparently 750 migrants made the crossing today
where will they go ?