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Chrissy Teigen surrogacy

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HermioneKipper · 29/06/2023 08:35

Just announced a 4th baby via a surrogate.

Its just so breathtakingly entitled to buy a woman’s body - especially when you already have 3 children?!

No regard for the safety of the surrogate’s body or thought for the baby who would be ripped from their mother at birth.

These people sicken me

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Fizbosshoes · 30/06/2023 22:44

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/06/2023 16:50

That was heartbreaking and horrific. I remember it well - same when the Russia-Ukraine war started. All of those innocent babies trapped in a wars one. There was a big fuss about a British couple who braved the shells to get "their" infant, and how wonderful it was to have "their" baby. Not a single thought for the mother that baby left behind, or her safety.

I am pleased at least one child get out of there, but NOT A WORD about the mother.

I wonder how many of these little ones got to their commissioning parents after covid? How many were traumatised by war and what was effectively an orphanage situation? How many were no longer wanted because the buyers wanted a "new" baby? How many mothers didn't even get paid because they commissioning parents didn't feel they got what they wanted?

I read about the surrogate babys in Ukraine being cared for in make shift nursery/dormitories in hotels during covid. The reports focused on how desperate the parents were to get there, how carefully they were planning their journey, how traumatic it was to wait etc. No mention at all of how the baby might find being taken from the birth mother but then unable to form a bond with its new parents

Hairday · 30/06/2023 23:42

TheOriginalEmu · 30/06/2023 21:24

That’s why I said donate. Last I checked no surrogate is selling a body part, so I don’t see the relevance?

Have you heard of fetal maternal microchimerism?

There's also brain changes caused by pregnancy.

https://www.livescience.com/pregnancy-causes-dramatic-changes-in-brain

Pregnancy causes dramatic changes in the brain, study confirms

Pregnancy caused women to lose gray matter, and reshaped the brain’s “default mode network,” a set of brain regions that are most active when the mind is wandering.

https://www.livescience.com/pregnancy-causes-dramatic-changes-in-brain

Hairday · 30/06/2023 23:52

Mothers are permanently altered by pregnancy, foetal cells cross the placenta and stay permanently in their bodies. Nobody knows the longterm effects of these cells coming from an unrelated foetus, it hasn't been studied.

It also goes the other way, maternal cells stay permanently in the foetus, and experiences during pregnancy shape expression of genes (epigenetics).

The idea of the pregnancy as the foetus being held in a passive and otherwise empty vessel is simply false.

Stillcantbebothered · 30/06/2023 23:55

HermioneKipper · 29/06/2023 10:21

Don’t blame the victim.

Disgusting men who buy women’s bodies for sex are cool with you too presumably 🙄

who is the victim? the surrogate who knowingly agreed to be a surrogate in exchange for money? And what the hell has this got to do with prostitution?????

Stillcantbebothered · 30/06/2023 23:58

HermioneKipper · 29/06/2023 10:27

Yes she’s the mother. She nourished and gave birth to the child.

MOTHER.

Terms like gestational carrier are used to dehumanise women

Oh give it a break, no she is not the other, she agreed in exchange for money to carry the child for them simple.

She was not forced so stop with the victim crap and if she wants a bath then she goes and gets pregnant.

bellamountain · 01/07/2023 01:08

I'm pleased Kourtney Kardashian didn't go down the surrogacy route when she so easily could have.

Bluebells1970 · 01/07/2023 08:20

DM are throwing shade at her today with the headline that she spent the night away two days after announcing the surrogate baby had been born.

Apparently spending the night at Ken's house in Malibu was more glamorous than looking after a newborn.

Emotionalsupportviper · 01/07/2023 08:25

Hairday · 30/06/2023 23:42

Have you heard of fetal maternal microchimerism?

There's also brain changes caused by pregnancy.

https://www.livescience.com/pregnancy-causes-dramatic-changes-in-brain

Thank you for this link - really interesting study.

I looked one below on "vaginal seeding', too, and that was intriguing (except that the authors used "parent's vaginal secretions" rather than "mother's", which I found extremely jarring. Anyone who gives brith to a child is a woman, whether they like it or not.

Emotionalsupportviper · 01/07/2023 08:52

Stillcantbebothered · 30/06/2023 23:58

Oh give it a break, no she is not the other, she agreed in exchange for money to carry the child for them simple.

She was not forced so stop with the victim crap and if she wants a bath then she goes and gets pregnant.

What do you mean by "forced"?

Physical fear of death or injury? Having a gun put to your head?

Some women experience something very like this - organised crime gangs are involved in the surrogacy in many parts of the world, and women and girls are literally trafficked into this foul industry and kept perpetually pregnant, in the same way that many are forced into and trapped in prostitution. There are also documented cases of children paedophiles using surrogacy obtain children.

Forced by poverty? - a huge reason for many, if not most women. Why would any woman risk her life for money knowing that she could die and leave the children she is doing it for without mother?

Forced by societal pressure? Massive cause in many so-called "altruistic" surrogacies. Families putting on pressure a woman to have a baby for sister/ auntie/ cousin whatever. You can't even imagine how great this pressure is for many women in all cultures.

And there are accounts of husbands who realise that their wives fertility provides an easy way for them to get money, and push their wives into surrogacy even though they don't want to.

In addition, very few agencies properly explain the risks involved in being pumped full of hormones, or carrying a baby, or giving birth even in this day and age in the first world. And many, many women don't have first world advantages for medical care.

And many commissioning parents look for ways to avoid paying the full fee, and course don't tend to favour the surrogate.

There are absolute horror stories out there - and many aren't just from the perspective of the surrogate, but looking at what has happened to the infants is chilling.

https://www.theindiaforum.in/article/surrogacy-biomarkets-india-troubling-stories-2021-act

Surrogacy Biomarkets in India: Troubling Stories from before the 2021 Act

Inadequate governance and widespread unethical medical practices had made India one of the top global destinations for surrogate parenting till the Surrogacy (Regulation) Act was passed in 2021. Though this law prohibits commercial surrogacy, the proof...

https://www.theindiaforum.in/article/surrogacy-biomarkets-india-troubling-stories-2021-act

Helleofabore · 01/07/2023 09:26

Emotionalsupportviper · 01/07/2023 08:52

What do you mean by "forced"?

Physical fear of death or injury? Having a gun put to your head?

Some women experience something very like this - organised crime gangs are involved in the surrogacy in many parts of the world, and women and girls are literally trafficked into this foul industry and kept perpetually pregnant, in the same way that many are forced into and trapped in prostitution. There are also documented cases of children paedophiles using surrogacy obtain children.

Forced by poverty? - a huge reason for many, if not most women. Why would any woman risk her life for money knowing that she could die and leave the children she is doing it for without mother?

Forced by societal pressure? Massive cause in many so-called "altruistic" surrogacies. Families putting on pressure a woman to have a baby for sister/ auntie/ cousin whatever. You can't even imagine how great this pressure is for many women in all cultures.

And there are accounts of husbands who realise that their wives fertility provides an easy way for them to get money, and push their wives into surrogacy even though they don't want to.

In addition, very few agencies properly explain the risks involved in being pumped full of hormones, or carrying a baby, or giving birth even in this day and age in the first world. And many, many women don't have first world advantages for medical care.

And many commissioning parents look for ways to avoid paying the full fee, and course don't tend to favour the surrogate.

There are absolute horror stories out there - and many aren't just from the perspective of the surrogate, but looking at what has happened to the infants is chilling.

https://www.theindiaforum.in/article/surrogacy-biomarkets-india-troubling-stories-2021-act

Yes viper. I believe that some people have a very simplistic view of force. And may not understand the coercive powers at play in these decisions.

Coercive power can come in so many forms in surrogacy.

SummerSun04 · 02/07/2023 16:56

bellamountain · 01/07/2023 01:08

I'm pleased Kourtney Kardashian didn't go down the surrogacy route when she so easily could have.

Is this sarcasm?

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