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Chrissy Teigen surrogacy

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HermioneKipper · 29/06/2023 08:35

Just announced a 4th baby via a surrogate.

Its just so breathtakingly entitled to buy a woman’s body - especially when you already have 3 children?!

No regard for the safety of the surrogate’s body or thought for the baby who would be ripped from their mother at birth.

These people sicken me

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Hairday · 30/06/2023 04:07

It's less half the minimum wage in california per hour (15.5 per hour = 11,000 per month) Why? Why don't surrogates get, at the very least, the minimum wage?

Hairday · 30/06/2023 04:14

A woman doing a few surrogacy's whilst being a stay at home mother could set her up for life financially over a few years- obv not in the uk with it being expenses only although it can be having your bills paid

How? According to this site, it costs about 24k per year to raise a child in california. If she's a SAHM with two kids, one surrogacy per year will barely cover costs. How can it set her up for life?

It Costs $24K Each Year To Raise A Child In CA, A New Study Reports. Where The Money Goes

Child care, food, clothes, health insurance —​ it all adds up.

https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/how-much-it-costs-raise-child-california-study

Hairday · 30/06/2023 04:16

I just hate how still, after all these years, women as a class are still getting screwed economically and renting out their bodies for less than half the minimum wage is seen by some as a fantastic opportunity for them. It's not.

CurlewKate · 30/06/2023 05:49

Do people really not understand the difference between surrogacy, IVF and adoption?

Well, obviously they do understand the difference. The question is, what is the motivation for pretending they don't.

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/06/2023 09:08

Hairday · 30/06/2023 03:00

It's not about how "natural" it is. The problem is giving people the right to rent out women's bodies and to buy and sell babies.

THIS ⬆

whatsthpoint · 30/06/2023 10:40

OhcantthInkofaname · 30/06/2023 03:14

Oh a bunch of whiners on here for sure. She had to have surgery after her pregnancy with Jack and they told her she would likely not get pregnant again. When they did the egg harvest from her they implanted a couple in her and in the surrogate at the same time. She got pregnant and the pregnancy held. The surrogates did not but the surrogate decided to try again. I see nothing in these comments about her husband. This was a joint decision.

I like her. She is sassy and doesn't give a hoot what people think.

Surrogates are well paid -think $5,000 a month. And not just for the months of pregnancy but for a decent recovery time. They undergo physical and mental health tests.

Doesn't give a hoot what people think but lives her life on instagram. Ok then.

Sartre · 30/06/2023 10:46

I was quite baffled by this story too. I know they had an awful stillbirth a couple of years ago and didn’t expect to have a third child but then they did a few months ago which is lovely. No idea why they also decided to use a surrogate a few months after she found out she was pregnant, it’s really weird.

thecatsthecats · 30/06/2023 10:48

I like her. She is sassy and doesn't give a hoot what people think.

Surrogacy aside, she absolutely does care what people think. Which is why she was forced into an apology and went off grid for a while when her absolutely shameful cyber bullying was brought up.

Bluebells1970 · 30/06/2023 10:59

@Sartre it wasn't a stillbirth although that's how she portrayed it.

It was a termination.

EvilElsa · 30/06/2023 11:42

thecatsthecats · 30/06/2023 10:48

I like her. She is sassy and doesn't give a hoot what people think.

Surrogacy aside, she absolutely does care what people think. Which is why she was forced into an apology and went off grid for a while when her absolutely shameful cyber bullying was brought up.

This.
She said some truly awful stuff -disgusting actually. I don't know how she's still on social media with millions of followers. She felt very sorry for herself and went offline to "block out the negativity" 🙄

Meepme · 30/06/2023 11:58

This! It wasnt just name calling, it was saying the person should die in direct messages. She was straight up psycho here! How on earth has she still got followers. Same for Fern Mcann

LaMaG · 30/06/2023 12:05

Why is it that people support adoption but hate surrogacy?

its the money.. I am not fully opposed to it but these entitled celeb types do upset me. For me there is a difference between a family member doing it for love and a stranger doing it for cash. They wouldn't be doing it unless they needed the money, so there is a nasty power imbalance.

MargotBamborough · 30/06/2023 12:29

LaMaG · 30/06/2023 12:05

Why is it that people support adoption but hate surrogacy?

its the money.. I am not fully opposed to it but these entitled celeb types do upset me. For me there is a difference between a family member doing it for love and a stranger doing it for cash. They wouldn't be doing it unless they needed the money, so there is a nasty power imbalance.

There's also the fact that children available for adoption already exist, whereas children born to surrogates have been deliberately conceived with the intention that they will be separated from their birth mothers and given to the commissioning parents to raise.

LaMaG · 30/06/2023 12:34

MargotBamborough · 30/06/2023 12:29

There's also the fact that children available for adoption already exist, whereas children born to surrogates have been deliberately conceived with the intention that they will be separated from their birth mothers and given to the commissioning parents to raise.

Absolutely!! And society accepts that a mother who gives her child up for adoption suffers terribly (this is often cited as a pro choice argument) yet no one gives a rats about a surrogates loss cos hey she got her money didn't she..and yes she signed up for it. But still it's a mad double standard.

Namechange828492 · 30/06/2023 12:36

In other countries (notably the US) adoption can be very promlematic where vunerable mothers are coerced by agencies, papers signed before birth etc. Here i think less than 5% of adoptions are renounciations.

Im surprised by Teigen, surely her past tragedies highlight the exact sort of risk another woman will have to take for her

adviceneeded1990 · 30/06/2023 12:49

Bluebells1970 · 30/06/2023 10:59

@Sartre it wasn't a stillbirth although that's how she portrayed it.

It was a termination.

Are you having a laugh?

So you’re all for supporting women when you don’t want them to be surrogates, but you can make minimising comments about a woman’s still birth because it was medically induced to save her life?

This place is mental.

lifeturnsonadime · 30/06/2023 12:50

I'm ethically opposed to surrogacy in any circumstances.

Too prone to abuse of power and I oppose the trade of babies as this is, without doubt, what it boils down too. The female body should not be treated as a commodity.

So no YANBU.

adviceneeded1990 · 30/06/2023 12:52

I don’t particularly like CT, her online bullying was awful. But plenty of women who profess horror at that are currently on here making negative comments about the loss of her child.

I’m not talking about the surrogacy, there’s nothing wrong with being against surrogacy and expressing that. But the fact that women are playing down what she experienced because it was a “termination” - how are you any less a horrible bully than she is? Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Blingb · 30/06/2023 12:56

adviceneeded1990 · 30/06/2023 12:49

Are you having a laugh?

So you’re all for supporting women when you don’t want them to be surrogates, but you can make minimising comments about a woman’s still birth because it was medically induced to save her life?

This place is mental.

? But that's what CT said herself. She said,
"Let's just call it what it was. It was an abortion. An abortion to save my life for a baby that had absolutely no chance. And to be honest, I never, ever put that together until, actually, a few months ago."
She thought it was a miscarriage but realised later it was an abortion. It's an important difference in the US, obviously.

MRSDoos · 30/06/2023 12:58

@adviceneeded1990 I am finding these comments a joke too. I lost twins at the end of my first trimester but my body wasn’t doing what it was “meant” to do which meant I had to have a termination to remove them as I was risking a severe infection. I’m finding it a bit disgusting that people are acting as if she chose the have her abortion, when you lose a baby or are severely unwell due to your baby and life is at risk sometimes your body needs help to remove the baby. I hate when people compare miscarriages that need a bit of help to move along to abortions.

MRSDoos · 30/06/2023 13:00

@Blingb Yes she did call it an abortion to make a point that they shouldn’t be illegal in the US because sometimes abortions are needed to help miscarriages complete. I get the point she was trying to make, but still, she lost her son and will grieve him forever I am assuming

sanluca · 30/06/2023 13:05

Surrogates are well paid -think $5,000 a month.

You must be joking, 5k for 24x7, risking death or life long injuries, 100% chance of negative impact on your health, flooding your body with hormones, no life insurance if you die and leave family members without support, no medical insurance or cost reimbursement for issues arising after birth is done, giving other people the right to decide over your body and your life.
Commercial surrogacy contracts end all support for the mother once the baby is born. Any after effects are for the mother to deal with on her own, including financial.

It becomes crystal clear commercial surrogacy is exploitation when you see what happens when it goes wrong.

Phos · 30/06/2023 13:10

Chocolatelover3 · 29/06/2023 08:48

These threads are boring. As soon as a celebrity has a baby via surrogate they start popping up on mumsnet.

First of all the poor woman lost her son Jack so mentally was terrified of getting pregnant again. Loss hurts if you have no children previously or 8 children! Very easy to judge unless you have had a miscarriage or stillbirth.

Whilst I can see negatives to surrogacy - especially when woman need the money and go through it despite not really wanting to. I do not think this is the case for a lot of surrogates. I actually follow a few on TikTok who love doing this for other people, and do not see it as ripping the baby away. I’m sure most celebrities go through a proper process when finding the right surrogate. The baby is going to be loved, not to mention obviously have the best of things as they clearly have money. The surrogate will be happy to do this. What is the problem?

Why is it that people support adoption but hate surrogacy?

Can't have been that terrified. She had IVF to have a baby after the abortion.

Alsobeyondshit · 30/06/2023 13:15

LaMaG · 30/06/2023 12:05

Why is it that people support adoption but hate surrogacy?

its the money.. I am not fully opposed to it but these entitled celeb types do upset me. For me there is a difference between a family member doing it for love and a stranger doing it for cash. They wouldn't be doing it unless they needed the money, so there is a nasty power imbalance.

Adoption is child centred. Finding an adoptive parent for a child who already exists that needs a parent.

Surrogacy is all about the adult with little concern or thought for the resulting child.

Not at all comparible

Changeforachange · 30/06/2023 13:32

'so boring!'
'what's the problem?'

As memories are short, let's remind ourselves of the Ukrainian baby farm that came into the spotlight after COVID did a number on travel.

No commodifying women or selling babies AT ALL to see here.
Completely natural.
Clearly the Ukrainian has a high percentage of women who are of very kind, altruistic dispositions and have easy, fun pregnancies.

Chrissy Teigen surrogacy