to think they would feel differently if they had children?

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Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free. Was talking to one the other day and was taken aback by how uncompromising she was. The 32 week old baby that the woman was imprisoned for aborting was not a baby, all women have the right to end a pregnancy at any point.

I am pro choice but think the 24 week cut off is about right. AIBU to think they would feel differently if they had gone through a pregnancy to term themselves?

Sounds like you are not pro choice. Which is fine, but don't pretend you are.

The first time I realised so strongly I felt about abortion was when I held my newborn baby in the arms. I loved him to bits but omg it was tough those first few weeks and I just thought I wouldn’t wish this on anyone who doesn’t really want it.

My 31 weeker was very much a live, healthy, albeit small baby. Needed no support except time to grow and learn to feed.

Now, I can see some might have arguments for aborting late in pregnancies but no, I don't agree with it, it absolutely is killing a full formed, viable baby. They should be considering adoption.

I was even more confident on my position on being pro-choice from being pregnant and having a baby. Even if it was legal at any point, most women would get it done as soon as possible.

But if the mum doesn't want to or can't care for the baby, does that mean the baby doesn't deserve to live? That it deserves to die, probably in pain?

@jenandberrys Is it not pro choice if you think that 24 weeks is a reasonable cut off?
I have always considered myself pro choice but not up until 40 weeks

The opposite for me. Experiencing pregnancy, birth and motherhood has made me more fiercely convinced that no woman should ever be forced to do it ahainst their will. It's made me more protective of my bodily autonomy and more understanding of how wildly women's experiences can differ.

I’m more pro-abortion than I ever was before I had a baby. Having been through pregnancy, no woman who doesn’t want to should go through that.

Pro choice doesn't mean you have to agree with abortion at all stages. There are many weeks between missing a period and giving birth.

This. And don't dump this at the feet of women who don't have children.

I have 2 children and firmly believe as early as possible as late as necessary.
Having children is hard. It's a huge commitment. It's risky. Nobody should be forced to give birth.

Having my own children only made me believe that more strongly.

You are not pro choice as you believe in forced birth and pregnancy. As I said before it's a perfectly valid viewpoint but don't try and pretend it is anything but that.

'You'd feel differently if you had kids' is condescending BS and please don't say that to child free people.

Having gone through pregnancy, birth and dc I whole heartedly believe in as early as possible, as late as necessary. Nobody should be forced to bring a child into the world against their will.

No it just means that your views happen to align with the legal position in some countries.

Ah, gotta love the posters who don't even bother to read the OP!

I am pro choice. But I do not think that women should be able to have abortions past 24 weeks unless there is a threat to the life of the mother, or the child is going to be severely disabled. Feel free to ignore this post if it suits your argument to pretend I am some kind of right wing pro-lifer but I am most certainly not.

I am surprised that anyone who has gone through a pregnancy would think it ok to terminate a healthy baby beyond 30 weeks or so.

I’m not sure if we know whether a foetus feels pain but we definitely know that women feel pain when they give birth. Some people just don’t think that women matter beyond their potential for child bearing.

So you, as a woman who has chosen to continue a pregnancy should have more say in whether pregnancies are continued than women who haven’t? Right. Can’t see any issues with that.

I have two children and still think the saying ‘as early as possible, as late as necessary’ should be applied.

You aren’t pro choice. HTH.

"Nobody should be forced to bring a child into the world against their will"

But beyond the point of 24 weeks or so, you ARE going to be bringing that child into the world. It's whether that you bring it into the world alive or dead that is the question.

But you are forced to give birth past a certain date, the difference is to a live or dead baby. No-one is forced to keep a baby post birth. That means treating women as incubators between 24-36 weeks pregnant. That's a ethical dilemma for sure.

No I think everyone has read it just fine. You believe that the choice shouldn't lie with the women and that you should be able to say what is acceptable for other women not just yourself. You have been perfectly clear.

I have realised recently that I don’t count as pro-choice either. I don’t support abortion beyond the legal limit, except for very limited medical reasons.

I feel like the boundaries have shifted recently for some reason, to pro choice meaning abortion on demand, and at any point. Which seems completely illogical to me. Abortion beyond the point at which a foetus is viable seems like a different thing.

But, I don’t think you can say it’s because they are child free. I’m sure it covers women who’ve had children too.

X post, that's exactly the part a lot of people ignore. So they are arguing that the baby (which it is at this point) doesn't have the right to life.

How do you know your baby is healthy or not till it’s born? I have two disabled children. Neither disability detected in the womb.

I have had 3 children.

I fully believe in as early as possible as late as necessary.

I would never want to police a woman's right to choose and think abortion should not have limits.