to think they would feel differently if they had children?

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Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free. Was talking to one the other day and was taken aback by how uncompromising she was. The 32 week old baby that the woman was imprisoned for aborting was not a baby, all women have the right to end a pregnancy at any point.

I am pro choice but think the 24 week cut off is about right. AIBU to think they would feel differently if they had gone through a pregnancy to term themselves?

For me and most women I know, having children has made us even more fierce about our abortion rights.
The relentless demands of pregnancy and parenthood are hard even when you desperately want them, let alone if you don’t /feel incapable of them.

Which legal limit are you referring to as that varies massively across the world.

But how many adults have you spoken to who were adopted or put into the care system at birth to reinforce your view that birth really is better for an unwanted pregnancy?

I also didn't realise that being pro choice these days meant being OK with a viable baby being killed before it exits its mother's womb. If that's the definition, I'm ok with not being pro choice.

Of course I don't think I should have the say over what other women can do, what a ridiculous suggestion! I am allowed an opinion though. And my opinion is that beyond a certain point a baby has rights too and it is wrong to end its life.

Well I am a mother of three and also a sonographer who spends her life looking at babies in the womb. I know very much that they are living beings aware of their surroundings.
But I believe that a woman’s bodily autonomy is the most important thing and up until the moment of birth no-one should have control over it or should have a say in what we do with it. If you say otherwise you are no pro-choice really. Our draconian laws need an update.

I’m absolutely in favour that it’s a woman’s choice, but agree that 24 weeks feels right, unless for medical reasons obviously.

I couldn’t cope with the thought of the baby suffering pain before it’s ever felt any warmth or love. I don’t think a mother should be made to keep a child, adoption is always an option.

So I suppose I’m pro ‘whatever that makes me’.

Being in favour of forced birth after 24 weeks, is definitely not pro choice.

But you are giving birth anyway if it's after 24 weeks, the question is whether the baby is alive or dead when it comes out, not if it comes out. Such emotive language.

So you absolutely don't have to do that, it just sounded from your posts like you thought that that choice was not a choice other women should be free to make.

So what on earth do any of your follow up posts have to do with child-free people? I didn’t lose all my critical thinking abilities once I had a baby, and I wasn’t unfeeling before I had a child. Sounds like another excuse to be patronising about people (women, let’s face it) who don’t have children.

It's a scale, you're not at one end or the other, which means you have a limit on how much you believe in a woman's autonomous control of her body. That's fine, everyone has an opinion. Very few people are black and white on such a complex issue

Absolutely this for me too. I was pro-choice before having kids, now I’m the kind of abortion of demand believer OP is taken aback by.

In todays episode of "what are childfree women" the answer is "babykillers"

I am childless. I desperately desperately wanted a child and paid a not insignificant amount of money to have one. I also gave birth to a still born.

I am passionately pro choice despite that not because of it. Ive been pro choice since I was a teenager. And I very much doubt my attitude would have changed if my baby was born alive and not dead.

But thank you for adding to the current spate of "childfree women are selfish, not suitable for politics, self centered, lazy entitled women who dont ever work hard or know what busy is" threads. Always fun to add a new angle 🙄

Uk, as that’s where this site is based.

Ah, another one of those snide posts about the superior social value of those who have children.

What is it with all the posts demonising the child-free? I do have 2 DC and am vehemently pro-abortion.

OP I have reported your post and requested a trigger warning is added. I honestly thought this was going to be about something like child-free weddings.

Personally no, I don't think people like that would change their mind if they were parents. I feel it has more to do with their way of living and their morals and attitude to life. I think they would feel similar even as parents. My own stance on abortion (I am pro choice) did not change after I had my own children.

YABU because some parents absolutely feel the same way.

I have a baby and I don't believe there should be a limit on abortion. I believe in as early as possible but as late as necessary.

Going through pregnancy made me feel more strongly about it, not less.

I think you know what I meant by that.

Prolifers always wang on about these mythical full term babies wicked women are having doctors murder the day before their due date and it's manipulative bullshit.

What women want, need and deserve is early access to abortions.

Women simply don't get to 30, 35 weeks and say hey you know what, I've changed my mind, doc can you just stop this baby's heart for me and I'll be on my way to the club for some dancin', ta muchly.

That narrative is an insulting obvious attempt to manipulate emotions and create this mental picture of full term infants in medical waste bags for people to froth and weep over and hate women for.

Im more pro choice post DC than pre. Forcing women to endure a pregnancy and give birth against their will is abhorrent.

Did you join mumsnet to share your forced birth views with us OP or was it just a name change? 🙄

Having a baby made me even more pro choice.

I'd prefer Induction or C-section to be a choice rather than abortion in later pregnancy (probably 30 weeks plus) with the mother being able to walk away after her medical needs have been met. However I also dislike abortion limits... I feel women should have the time to carefully consider their options not rush a decision just because a limit is looming.

Having daughters has made me more feminist... I'm fighting for them as well as me now.

I agree with you, but that might just be because I genuinely cannot comprehend wanting to kill a foetus that you know could survive outside your body. Or how you could want to end the life of something that you have been able to feel moving. I have had an early termination and that was awful enough. If it’s as traumatic as it was for me at six weeks then a termination much later than that must be truly horrific and I think women are more protected by the current rule of 24 weeks. If anything it should be lower so that women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy into the second and third trimesters have to be properly supported and given the option to go through the adoption process. If they are pregnant, they are already going to experience pain and suffering anyway.

So why do you think the UK limit is right and all the other limits are wrong?