to think they would feel differently if they had children?

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Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free. Was talking to one the other day and was taken aback by how uncompromising she was. The 32 week old baby that the woman was imprisoned for aborting was not a baby, all women have the right to end a pregnancy at any point.

I am pro choice but think the 24 week cut off is about right. AIBU to think they would feel differently if they had gone through a pregnancy to term themselves?

And all the people who believe in forced birth beyond 24 weeks have never found out they have no choice but to have a baby despite using supposedly fool proof contraception and discovering a pregnancy late.

Honestly, it’s so easy to sit in judgement when it’s not you. You really have no idea.

It isn't traumatic for everyone, as numerous posters on this site have said.

I'm pro choice up to the point that a baby could reasonably survive well outside the womb. After that point I think sadly the woman has gone past the point of choice. There is a grey area where babies can survive but at high risk of disability, and I don't know what I think on that.

That said, I'm not sure anyone would choose a late term abortion without an extremely good reason. No one gets pregnant and then thinks 'I know, I'll wait 5 months before I have an abortion'.

I think abortions should be available easily, speedily and on demand in the early months.

You do realise when you say you agree with the OP you aren't answering the question she asked don't you?

Unless you also are agreeing that childfree women are more likely to be pro choice because they lack empathy because they havent had a baby

You know who also never carries a baby to full term? Men

But it's not presumed that men are all pro choice because they lack empathy because they havent had a baby

Its just women who get this mysoginistic childfree women are heartless bitches bullshit

I also believe that it should be as early as possible as late as necessary.

But I know personally I would not be able to have a late termination as it would feel wrong. But I would not wish my personal feelings to have an impact on what other women do. The rules should be abortion on demand.

Having a late abortion sounds quite traumatic. Surely nobody is doing that without good reason

I don’t think there is much debate that a 39 week gestation fetus feels pain. There is debate at earlier gestations, yes, but by term it is very clear that they do.

The argument of just give it up for adoption doesn’t really sit right with me. A woman shouldn’t be forced to give birth and carry something inside of her that she doesn’t want like livestock. Imagine the mental turmoil of going through that pain and trauma and discomfort for something you don’t want to be happening to you and being forced to carry like a human incubator.

I don’t know the full facts of why that lady did that such late on in the pregnancy, but I can imagine she must have felt desperate to do what she did - no one would just do that to be callous or abusive? I can only presume someone who would do that either 1) weren’t aware that they were pregnant until too late in the pregnancy - not common but it does happen. 2) doesn’t have the resources to have gotten an earlier termination. 3) forced or pressured in some way to carry the baby early in the pregnancy and took the chance when it was available. 4) went through something that drastically changed their mind and they thought it would be for the best for them self and the baby.

Deciding to do what she did wouldn’t have been a careless, fleeting moment. She would have “wanted” to do that like she would have wanted to chop her own infected arm off

but to answer your question I do know quite a lot of women with children who are very pro choice

Having children is what made me more pro-choice than ever, mostly my second and third children.

My second child (4th pregnancy) was so difficult, my mental and physical health really suffered.

My third child wasn't to tricky of a pregnancy but was very unexpected after many years of infertility and losses to conceive my second. The worries about money, time, how would the other children feel.

I feel like the more children I had the more I felt so glad that I wouldn't be forced to continue a pregnancy that would negitively impact all of my existing children and their lifestyle (not lavish by any means) and I saw how easily another mouth to feed could tip a family over the brink.

I have 3 dc and am fully pro choice until full term. I don't think it would ever become law though so no point getting stressed about it if you don't agree. Abortion is pretty easy to access in this country in my experience.

They will experience more pain and suffering if choices are taken away from them.

Adoption isn't a magical solution when a woman wants an abortion.

Like many other posters, I am even more strongly pro-choice after having a child. My DD was an accident and although always pro-choice legally, I always felt that I couldn’t have an abortion myself. I don’t regret having my daughter for a second but I know now that if I was ever in a position where I got pregnant again in less than idea circumstances, I would absolutely abort. And I support women’s rights to abort at any stage- your right to bodily autonomy is not a “sliding scale”

So OP, judging from the replies, your theory is wrong.

God, so many mothers who purport to be absolutely ok with ending the life of a viable baby who could live outside its mother's womb independently. I'm going to tell myself that it's ignorance driving your stance because the alternative is disturbing, and that you don't fully understand what's involved in ending a pregnancy at this stage.

Depriving a child of life at a stage when it could live outside of its mother is simply wrong. The baby has to come out anyway, if a woman at 32 weeks doesn't want her baby fine, but why does it have to be killed because of that? Why not offer her a section instead and put the baby in special care so it at least has a chance? Why would you deprive a child of that chance of life?

I have daughters and if one of them came to me pregnant up to 24 weeks they'd be at the abortion clinic before their feet touched the ground if that's what they wanted. And after 24 weeks if there was a risk to their life or the child's. So please don't tell me that it's a feminist stance or one brought about by having daughters to be comfortable with ending a child's life before it's even begun.

Every mother I know has the same view as me on this and thankfully I think extreme abortion up to 40 weeks views like these are not very common.

And yes I do know three people who are adopted and are pretty glad to be alive as they all have very nice lives.

Anyway going out now. Not really up for an evening spent reading the frothing of women who are ok with terminating fully viable babies. As you were.

They aren't

Its less than 1% I believe and almost always for medical reasons (either the child or the mothers)

When people say as early as possible as late as necessary that necessary part means as late as is necessary for the health and welbeing of the mother including her mental health and well being

But forced birthers seem to think that the mental health and well being of the mother is irrelevant. But then they also think the physical health and well being of the mother is irrelevant so thats unsuprising I guess

I'm a massive advocate for abortion as early as possible, as late as necessary. I have no issue with term abortion.

I'm a mother.

The phrase 'as early as possible, as late as necessary' has always seemed to sum it up for me.

I don't know the statistics, but I can't imagine the post-15 weeks abortions without medical reasons are very high at all.

Every mother I know has the same view as me on this and thankfully I think extreme abortion up to 40 weeks views like these are not very common.

Perhaps you don't know many mothers. The only person frothing here is you, because you started this to shame child free women.

Didn't take long for OP to show her true colours!

Having experienced how traumatic childbirth can be, and the pressure that motherhood brings , I am more pro choice now than I ever was. I’m pro choice at 23 weeks and 6 days, and also at 24 weeks and beyond.

Anyway going out now. Not really up for an evening spent reading the frothing of women who are ok with terminating fully viable babies

You are the only one frothing about people disagreeing with you despite posting in AIBU about a topic that clearly divides opinion.

You can be pro-choice and not think that abortion up until birth is right. That, IMO, is a very extreme stance, in the same way that thinking that all abortion, including using the MAP is wrong. There is a middle ground that many people agree on. The more extreme ends of the abortion debate are very polarising places to be.

And your apology to childfree women for villifying them for no reason will be forthcoming soon I suppose?

Giving birth has made me absolutely pro choice, when before I was only gently pro choice.

You can make any moral judgement you like about abortions. I do. I judge mothers all the time. Making laws to force us to continue unwanted pregnancy is something different entirely though