to think they would feel differently if they had children?

[Violetbeauregardesgum]

Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free. Was talking to one the other day and was taken aback by how uncompromising she was. The 32 week old baby that the woman was imprisoned for aborting was not a baby, all women have the right to end a pregnancy at any point.

I am pro choice but think the 24 week cut off is about right. AIBU to think they would feel differently if they had gone through a pregnancy to term themselves?

I was horrified by the mother who aborted her baby so late but I'm sure that's very rare, and am still adamant that abortion is a woman's prerogative. I have 2 kids.

No you can't be, because as soon as you think that limits should be applied to other women not just yourself, you are removing choice from them. Therefore you are not pro choice. There is nothing wrong with holding that view but ultimately it mean that there should be limits on women bodily autonomy.

Anyway going out now. Not really up for an evening spent reading the frothing of women who are ok with terminating fully viable babies. As you were.

Another forced birther flounced. 😂 Oh well.

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Nah.

I have kids, I had two children who died too.

I think abortion should be available at any point during pregnancy.

I've seen too many relationships turn violent after a certain point in pregnancy, then the woman is tied to that man for life, and the child is just used as a weapon.

I've seen too many women and girls not find out they are pregnant until too late to have choices and be forced into motherhood they aren't ready for.

All the statistics prove that women almost always choose abortion as early as possible, so why the fuck aren't we trusted with our own bodies and lives?

I have daughters and I will fight for their right to bodily autonomy until my dying breath. I never want them to feel as though they are stuck being pregnant when they don't want to be.

The woman will always come before a foetus to me. At 12 weeks, 22 weeks or 32 weeks, how far along the pregnancy is makes no difference to me because it is about the woman and what she wants to do with her body.

She might not want a c-section and to go ahead with adoption. That's fine because it's her choice.

Okay, so you think the abortion laws in the UK (and much of Europe) are wrong then? There aren't many places that allow abortion up to birth for a healthy foetus. A handful of US states do, but I'm unaware of anywhere else that allows it.

Canada does, I believe.

Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free.

That is not statistically significant.

I haven't said anywhere what my personal view is, I am merely challenging your assertion. Where different countries draw the line is pretty much arbitrary as evidenced by the massive range in laws across the world.

I just can't get my head around how anyone can support abortion up to the moment of birth and also support strong infanticide laws. The harm and pain felt by the baby may actually be less in the case of infanticide and yet society is in broad agreement that to condone this would be morally wrong and the start of a very slippery slope.

I also think the attitude you have to abortion goes against our expectations of parents post birth. Many parents and mothers in particular feel that they lose autonomy over their lives as their time and energy is so consumed by a tiny baby who's needs override those of the parents. Often this fact isn't even acknowledged by society, yet any deviation from very high standards of care and you will be charged with neglect and causing suffering to the baby. Yet we are supposed to ignore any suffering caused to babies on late term abortions because those babies haven't been born yet so don't count.

I think that's more a reflection of OP's social circle than the opinions of childfree women. But for some people any stick will do to beat us, I guess.

This thread is insane. Pro choice never ever meant pro murder until recently. It has always, in the UK meant ok with abortion on demand up to about 18-20 weeks and then it gets very fuzzy. The denial of biology and viability by the what now seems to be pro choice is awful.

This op ⬆️ @Violetbeauregardesgum

who cares if the woman is in pain right? She’s only a woman!

honestly the internalised misogyny on here is astounding

What do you think happens to a 30-week dead foetus? Clue: it doesn't magically disappear.

This whole "as early as possible, as late as necessary" is bull.

Necessary for the mother doesn't mean necessary for the baby.

As that's what it is when it could be born and survive without their mother. A baby.

I'll say that again, a baby. A living human baby. Who feels pain. And who can't yet speak for themselves and tell you they don't want to die.

Why should a grown adults rights trump a child's right to life?

I couldn't kill a 36 week old baby who has to leave their mother one way or another.

Could you?

Do you really think a woman who wants an abortion for anything other than health reasons 24weeks + is a person best placed to be responsible for a pregnancy and birth and subsequent child?

I am absolutely pro choice.

I feel more strongly about abortion after having children.

Of course we know whether a foetus at 32 weeks feels pain! Wtf!

How do you think a full-term foetus gets out of its mother's uterus? The woman has to deliver that baby, whether it's alive or dead, so why would the pain be any less if the baby was dead?

I’m even more pro-choice after having kids. This shit isn’t easy, it’s certainly not for people who are unprepared or unwilling - imagine forcing a child to be born to a mother who doesn’t want it or isn’t well equipped enough to be the best mother possible. That’s a person you’re doing to go in your outrage to ensure a foetus has the most respect out of everyone

Luckily, exactly no one is asking you to do anything or be in any way involved.

Sorry quote fail.

^ That's so true!

Foetuses are not 36 week old babies. HTH

And the human whose rights Trump everyone else’s (including the foetus) is the actual alive person whose life will forever be affected if she’s forced to be a mother to a child she doesn’t want or can’t care for.

But that's what they are advocating for, many argued that in the recent case the woman should have the right to do what she did, change her mind depending on how her relationship was going regardless if how pregnant she was. The change in law would put women in abusive relationships those who are vulnerable at risk.

I’m not sure anyone suggested it did? But aborted foetuses are not born alive.