to think they would feel differently if they had children?

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Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free. Was talking to one the other day and was taken aback by how uncompromising she was. The 32 week old baby that the woman was imprisoned for aborting was not a baby, all women have the right to end a pregnancy at any point.

I am pro choice but think the 24 week cut off is about right. AIBU to think they would feel differently if they had gone through a pregnancy to term themselves?

I am shocked at some of the views here, thought it was pretty normal to not agree with abortion after 24 weeks? I am very pro choice at earlier stages but a baby at say 35 weeks is very different

Because could be born isn't the same as actually born. A foetus doesn't have the same rights until birth, before that? It is the woman's body and her rights should always come first.

I’m not a doctor but I’m guessing that a much wider range of painkillers is available to women who are terminating a pregnancy rather than giving birth to a live baby.

Well the pro-choice goal posts seemed to of moved. I don’t think adjusting the gestation to later will have much impact on the stats of abortions, I’m sure most women would have them as early as possible whether it’s available later or not, it’s not something you’d put off till next month really, or is it?

My thoughts are firmly with the woman always. If she doesn’t want to mother a child I don’t want her to. If she wants to terminate a pregnancy before the cut off I’m totally for her to do that for any reason she has decided on, as long as it’s her own well thought out decision. The only time I’m interested in the babies choices is when they are born and viable without any assistance.

YABU

I was pro-life until I had my own child and realised the difficulties of it all and then I became pro-choice, knowing I couldn’t go through a 2nd pregnancy.

I do agree that the woman should have been jailed.

I don’t understand how killing a developed baby once it’s out of the womb is murder but doing it whilst it’s still inside is ok.

She knew how far along she was and she could have caused the child to have permanent disabilities.
She chose her new relationship and didn’t want the inconvenience of a pregnancy she previously chose to keep.

After a certain time if you don’t want the baby then you should put it up for adoption.

The idea that any woman should be forced to give birth to a child she doesn't want is utterly horrific to me. Her life should always be prioritised.

Before I had children I was solidly pro choice.

Now, three wonderful children later. Still solidly pro choice. No exemptions, no limits, no cut offs. The woman's choice.

I completely agree it’s pretty disgusting.

But why? Why does it always come first?

Could I abort a 36 week old baby if that baby had severe health issues and would either die imminently or live a short pain filled life - absolutely

Could I abort a 36 week old baby if the mother was in severe physical or mental distress and forcing her to continue with the baby would be extremely detrimental - absolutely

Do I think abortion at any stage should be a conversation between the patient (the mother) and the medical expert (the doctor) - absolutely

Do I think there are hoards of women wanting to abort at 36 weeks because they have suddenly decided they prefer going on holidays out of school holiday time or whatever reasons you think it is that we need to protect the baby against - absolutely not

Unless you can find some overwhelming proof that hoards of women want abortions at 36 weeks for spurious reasons why isnt as late as necessary viable?

The numbers of people having late term abortions are vanishingly small, the latest available stats are for 2021: 89% of abortions were performed under 10 weeks,1% at 20 weeks and 0.1% at 24+ weeks.

I am pro-choice, any reason, any gestation, if a woman makes the decisions that she cannot continue the pregnancy to term and birth a baby then she should not be forced to do so.

On a personal level I don't believe that I would ever have an abortion, but I've also never been raped and impregnated or had a serious mental health problem or been in an abusive relationship so I don't know what I would do if a situation like that was part of my pregnancy experience.

It makes no sense because at that stage she’d have to give birth anyway. Why murder a child first?

Because no one else gets to control her body.

That’s not what pro choice is about. Being pro choice- you can defin disagree with other peoples choices on when they abort.

I think pro choice is actually the wrong “term” for people who do not believe in pro life- there needs to be an in between but there isn’t.

So- for now- until that’s sorted- I think the OP is saying that she believes in abortion for some cases.

The numbers of people having late term abortions are vanishingly small, the latest available stats are for 2021: 89% of abortions were performed under 10 weeks,1% at 20 weeks and 0.1% at 24+ weeks.

Useful statistic.

apologies for saying baby I should have said foetus I was using the language of the post I was replying to but should have changed it

The point is that a 30-week baby hurts to deliver even if it is dead, so saying "what about the woman's pain?" is irrelevant. It's going to be painful anyway.

This 👆being a mother has made me super pro choice.....it's too hard to do unless you are all in, fuck making other women (mothers) feel bad about their choices OP, maybe think on that?? Also majority of abortions are performed on women who are already mothers so nah you are wrong there

At the end of the day, either women have the right to control what happens in their own bodies or they don't. It really is as simple as that. This extremely unusual case (and it is exactly that) doesn't change that. But it is being used by people to push the poor babies narrative that is actually about removing bodily autonomy from women.

Thank you for saying what I was thinking. This is the 3rd thread in as many days

I am pro choice. But I do not think that women should be able to have abortions past 24 weeks unless there is a threat to the life of the mother, or the child is going to be severely disabled

You are not pro choice; you are pro forced birth under a particular set of circumstances. I am one of those “vehement” women you describe, but I am the very happy mother of two (one of whom was actually an accident). In a nutshell, I don’t believe the rights of anyone else (person/foetus/whatever) should ever override the bodily autonomy of a person. And (outside the confines of the mental health act), we abide by that in all other situations. Why should any woman be treated differently?

Please don't tell me what you^^ think my view would be if I had children. I don't have children, but I want them. And I also firmly believe as early as possible, as late as necessary. Please do me the credit of not thinking I would think differently if and when I'm lucky enough to have children of my own.

I am surprised that anyone who has gone through a pregnancy would think it ok to terminate a healthy baby beyond 30 weeks or so.

You may very well be surprised, but please give people the credit for having a very different viewpoint to you.