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Ideation that girl babies are better than boy babies.

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Supremechicken · 24/06/2023 19:41

In my family it’s very heavily opinionated that boy babies are an ‘aww better luck next time’ and girl babies are an amazing gift.

My sisters were saying the other day that when they see a gender reveal on Facebook they don’t tend to like or react to the boy ones but the girls they feel excited for.

I don’t really see the difference .

Is there something I’m missing?

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HRTQueen · 25/06/2023 11:50

When I informed family I was pregnant I had number of messages along the lines of congratulations wishing you a happy heathy boy

it wasn’t a typo for baby

MerryHen · 25/06/2023 11:59

Protect your child from these ideas OP.

Gender disappointment is a thing, and should be acknowledged but it should also be explored and challenged, because the genitals a person is born with don't make them who they are.

I have three children, all them.

I didn't have a preference in sex with DC1 and we had a beautiful DS. He became very poorly and died when he was still a young baby.

Pregnant with DC2 and I hoped we'd have another boy because I wanted the chance to raise a little boy like we should have been doing. We had our wonderful DD and I was a bit disappointed for about a moment but I soon realised that it didn't matter. She was her own person, a second son also would have been his own person. It has been a privilege raising DD.

When I was pregnant with DC3 I once again didn't mind either way, someone expressed to me they hoped we had another son to make up for not having DS1 here but I knew it didn't matter because another son wouldn't be DS1, he was irreplaceable. This baby would be whoever they were. As it was, we did have another son and I love him to bits because he is him, not because he's another boy. Once again it is an absolute privilege being his mother.

All three of my children are uniquely them and so different to each other, and all absolutely wonderful. My girl has some typically "girly" traits and interests and some more "boyish" ones- because she's a unique individual. DS1 was a calm, easy going baby and so is DS2, I don't think this is because they're both boys but just chance of genetics (DD is a bit of a live wire!) Both DS's are also quite different to each other too, despite both being calm they have a different energy.

And for those trotting out gendered stereotypes, so much of it is learned because we live in such a heavily gendered society.

Best of luck with the rest of your pregnancy and birth OP, your baby will be absolutely wonderful whoever they are.

SleepingStandingUp · 25/06/2023 12:11

snoopybus · 25/06/2023 07:22

Honestly, this saying is why I'm sad I got a boy rather than a girl.

I love him to pieces, but very aware once he's grown and established his own life, if he goes down the standard married to a wife with kids, I'll be the second tier MIL.

I know nobody who has a good relationship with their MIL side - but everyone I know has a fantastic relationship with their own parents side. I'll be sad that I'm going to be the 'once a month scheduled visit' and not the 'basically live there' grandmother (if he has kids - obviously he may not).

It's 100% Unreasonable for me - and I'd never say it to my son or in front of him - but it's just always been a worry.

So why do you treat your in laws as second rate family?

SleepingStandingUp · 25/06/2023 12:17

LooseGoosey · 25/06/2023 08:47

I think a lot of women want a daughter. I don’t know anyone in real life who has had 2 or 3 boys and hasn’t confessed to being secretly gutted that they didn’t have a girl.

Within my circle of family and friends, it is absolutely true that the mothers of daughters are favoured over the mothers of sons (MILs). Even my sister who has one of each, when she was pregnant with her third, really hoped it would be a girl.

It’s interesting that, even on this thread, those that are almost rabidly defending having boys and lambasting those who express gender disappointment, are those who only have boys themselves.

Because all the GD is about having boys, those little abusive thugs who will ruin women's lives, then have kids 1 and keep them from you whilst abusing his wife. There's no GD about little girls unless it's about "would have been nice to have variety"

GilChesterton · 25/06/2023 12:26

I know nobody who has a good relationship with their MIL side - but everyone I know has a fantastic relationship with their own parents side

I've always found it to be the other way round - in-laws are often very grateful you've taken their little darling off their hands! :)

Shinier · 25/06/2023 13:30

@Surprisedbysummer have you actually read that? It doesn’t say women are more competitive amongst themselves it says they are more aggressive generally than thought. It’s nothing to do with competing for men’s attention.

ffs even when someone says they’d love to bring up a girl people are posting it’s because they’re competitive with their MIL. So many women perpetuate misogyny.

SleepingStandingUp · 25/06/2023 13:30

GilChesterton · 25/06/2023 12:26

I know nobody who has a good relationship with their MIL side - but everyone I know has a fantastic relationship with their own parents side

I've always found it to be the other way round - in-laws are often very grateful you've taken their little darling off their hands! :)

Thankfully I married an adult, so I wasn't taking him off anyone's hands

LadyGrinningSoul85 · 25/06/2023 13:33

I totally agree with you.
I've been thrilled to bits every time I've been told I'm having a boy, equally so as when I've been told I'm having a girl.
Unfortunately all the birth boards I've been on (I have 9 kids, so lots of birth boards and experience with this) are full of 'gender disappointment' posts over finding out they're having boys.

I have to really bite my tongue to not tell them all that babies aren't all about being able to dress them in frills and bows and pretty dresses.
Gets on my bloody nerves.

They're babies, not dolls.

SleepingStandingUp · 25/06/2023 13:34

Shinier · 25/06/2023 13:30

@Surprisedbysummer have you actually read that? It doesn’t say women are more competitive amongst themselves it says they are more aggressive generally than thought. It’s nothing to do with competing for men’s attention.

ffs even when someone says they’d love to bring up a girl people are posting it’s because they’re competitive with their MIL. So many women perpetuate misogyny.

Did YOU read Summers comments? They didn't mention competitiveness or men. It said women are much more aggressive (including aggression towards other women) than had previously been thought which is what you've said but whilst trying to pretend Summer didn't fgs.

NotmyRLname · 25/06/2023 13:36

TempName247 · 24/06/2023 19:46

Most of the world value boys over girls so YABU.

@TempName247 not in the west or developed countries

snoopybus · 25/06/2023 13:43

SleepingStandingUp · 25/06/2023 12:11

So why do you treat your in laws as second rate family?

I dont deliberately but my DH has a dreadful relationship with his mother for reasons im not going to stick on the internet, so rarely wants to see her despite me pushing for it (even though I'm not a fan myself)

I was incredibly fair with my MIL in most aspects, both my MIL and DM signed our wedding register, my MIL actually saw the baby first, I don't alternative Christmases- I invite both each year.

However I naturally go to my parents more as they're my parents, so I saw my mom almost daily on mat leave where as my MIL only saw our son a handful of times because he doesn't organise to visit unless I nag.

Not that I have to explain my reasoning to a random on the Internet.

camperjam · 25/06/2023 13:46

I experienced this myself when I found out I was expecting a boy.
A few people were disappointed for me that is wasn't a girl.
After my 2nd boy I had a few comments about trying for a girl next.
Still feel a bit pissed off about it tbh.

Tophy124 · 25/06/2023 14:09

My mum and MIL see my children equally and my husband and I speak to our mothers equally, both are included in everything to do with our lives and their grandchildren.

I was delighted to have a son but was open to either and now I’m pregnant again we won’t be finding out gender as we could care less, we just hope for a healthy baby this time.

To be so wrapped up in gender shows me people really need to get a grip and realise how much can go wrong in pregnancy and childbirth and even after. If you walk away with a healthy child of any gender be grateful!! I promise you if your baby was fighting for their life in the NICU or stillborn you wouldn’t care about gender and some people on this thread seriously need some perspective. Or just don’t have children if you can’t cope with the 50% chance it ‘won’t be what you want.’

Butchyrestingface · 25/06/2023 14:20

My sisters both have girls through lime tampons and husbands abstaining for several weeks to lower sperm count.

What did they say about the UTIs?

Shinier · 25/06/2023 16:35

@Tophy124 you’re referring to sex not gender.

Shinier · 25/06/2023 16:37

Did YOU read Summers comments? They didn't mention competitiveness or men. It said women are much more aggressive (including aggression towards other women) than had previously been thought which is what you've said but whilst trying to pretend Summer didn't fgs.

hello @SleepingStandingUp! You’ve not quite grasped this. Summers was defending the idea that women don’t want baby boys because they’re in competition with their MiL. I said this was misogynistic. They responded with this article to back it up. It doesn’t. H2h

2ndMrsdeWinter · 25/06/2023 16:56

I have girls and have been asked on plenty of occasions whether I will be trying for a boy.

I’ve had the gasp of ‘oooh, girls are hard work/expensive - bet you wished you had boys’

I got pregnant to have a family and really wasn’t bothered either way and neither were our relatives.

People don’t think before they speak - I’d ignore them.

Surprisedbysummer · 25/06/2023 17:14

@Shinier
Err no I didn't say that. I think you are making things up. Check back at my post.
I also think it is passive aggressive of you to try to speak FOR ME and add H2H as an added insult.
Although your comments rather support the Swansea Uni Research on female aggression.

SparklingMarkling · 25/06/2023 17:17

Personally I think the luckiest mothers are the ones who have the opportunity to raise both sexes. I’m lucky enough to have sons and a daughter. I get the preference for daughters (I really wanted a daughter myself) but I think it’s a bit pathetic when people go over the top with it.

I also cringe when you hear mothers of only girls slating boys. Like, come on, you can’t even comment because you simply haven’t got the experience of having a son. You are speaking from a place of ‘unknowing’ and ignorance.

Like I said, it’s the mothers who raise both sons and daughters who are the most fortunate in my opinion.

Avondale89 · 25/06/2023 17:22

SnuggleBuggleBoo · 24/06/2023 20:06

I'd be hugely disappointed to have a boy. One of the reasons I've decided not to have any children. I dislike the things boys are stereotypically interested in - vehicles, football, fighting, farts, superheros, dinosaurs, guns, their genitaliia, monsters, rough-and-tumble etc (and yes, of course I know that not all boys are like that and it's perfectly possible to have a daughter who is, but statistically speaking it's far more likely with a boy, and if I had a boy who wasn't into all that stuff I'd be worrying he was so different from his peers he'd be ostracised!)

In my experience boys have a completely different style of play than girls. Set up a small world zoo and a girl will have little families walking around looking at the animals, buying an ice-cream at the cafe, a zookeeper giving a talk... A boy will have the lions driving the zoo jeep (which can also fly, maybe occasionally squashing the little people flat!?) I just can't relate to that. It annoys me.

Boys grow into men and I, for the most part, don't like men. Aggressive, sex- crazed, selfish, intimidating, misogynistic, all that fun stuff. It's depressing to think you can plough your life into trying to ensure your son turns out right and then he goes and grooms a bloody 15 year old when he's in his mid 30s (one of my school mates, a former 'head boy', popular lad and pillar of the community did just this). I'd hate to have a son.

This has to take the biscuit for one of the most bizarre posts I’ve ever seen on MN. Just wow.

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I think @Shinier has daughters. Goodness knows what she'd have done if they'd been boys or how she'll reach of her daughters get male partners and have sons. Perhaps disowned for letting down feminism.

Shinier · 25/06/2023 21:49

@Avondale89 @Shinier you don’t need to attack me a call me a nutter because I have a different opinion to you. I think it’s a pretty wide held view that alpha male patriarchal led society hasn’t exactly worked. Lots of men agree too. I’m sorry if you think this threatens your little boys.

Shinier · 25/06/2023 21:53

@Surprisedbysummer you’ve misunderstood. I’m not speaking for you. Why would you think that? I’ve no idea who you are? This is just a bizarre convo right now

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