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What's going on in Moscow?? Wagner convoys go towards Moscow.

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 24/06/2023 00:13

Anton Gerashchenko@Gerashchenko_enMilitary police convoy driving towards Ministry of Defense in Moscow.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1672380417477844995

Anton Gerashchenko@Gerashchenko_enPMC Wagner wonders where Putin is?

There was a special broadcast on First Channel. In addition to reading the press release from the Federal Security Service, it was reported: "Putin has been informed of all of Prigozhin's actions and the necessary measures are being taken. That's all for now, we're following the progress of events."
And so are we. And where is Putin?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1672380417477844995

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Hohohogreenjennie · 24/06/2023 13:33

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 24/06/2023 08:47

Yeah - if someone could please explain like I'm 5.

I know someone has already answered to this reply but I’ve seen the exact same question on another message board and the response was

”President man hires man with big gun to go boom Ukraine. Man with big gun decides it is better to turn around and go boom President man and his army instead”

🤣

PerkingFaintly · 24/06/2023 13:39

Private Military Company = private militia. They've been used by other countries, too, eg the US used Blackwater in Iraq. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_(company)

They could be doing anything from providing security guards for buildings, to being private armies not covered by government oversight or subject to military rules of conduct (so they're notorious for atrocities).

They offer deniability to any nation state that employs them, because the leaders can stand up in Parliament or wherever and say "Not our nation's army guv. Just some mercenaries we know nothing about."

Wagner have been active in Africa for some time, sometimes even working hand in glove with national armies there, and have been involved in many atrocities in Syria, Mali and elsewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

Wagner Private Military Company has been a major part of the Russian forces in Ukraine. Prigozhin, owner of Wagner, has also been the owner of the "Internet Research Agency" – a company of Russian troll farms which (very successfully) try to steer public opinion across the world in directions Russia finds helpful. The troll farms are very active during US elections, for example, and during UK referenda (Scottish independence, Brexit). But they also do a lot of purely disruptive work, turning up the temperature and trying to get people at each other's throats; any disruption may provide an opening Russia can then exploit.

If Prigozhin loses this face-off with Putin, then not only do we have to consider what the removal of Wagner's boots on the ground will mean, but whether they will drop out of the information space. It has already been possible to see a shift in troll behaviour because, a few years back during the Salisbury poisonings, it was noticeable that trolls could never criticise Putin. In the last year or so, they've started saying things like, "Obviously Putin's an idiot" – while still churning out Russia Good, Ukraine Evil material.

Blackwater (company) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_(company)

Hohohogreenjennie · 24/06/2023 13:41

Since a lot of the Russian army are in Ukraine/on the border it appears that Chechen forces are coming to intercept the Wagner rebellion.

Am I missing something big here? I thought they hated ‘the Butcher of Chechnya” aka Vladimir Putin.

PerkingFaintly · 24/06/2023 13:42

Yes, agree with those saying Prigozhin hasn't been bought by the US or anyone else.

If he was for sale, this would have happened a year ago.

Prigozhin isn't up for being anyone's gofer. He's done that long enough. Now he wants to be emperor.

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2023 13:48

GuinnessBird · 24/06/2023 13:32

There is no way that Wagner has been brought.

Wagner have been stockpiling for months and now they have decided to seize the opportunity.

I'm not sure that they'll succeed, but the Kremlin is definitely worried, even more so because the Russian Army seems to be parting like the Red Sea to let Wagner through.

This is what happens when you treat your own army like shit, they won't protect you when the time comes.

They were already bought, they're mercenaries.

Seems a pretty logical move by governments which are unable to get directly involved, due to their enemy threatening to use its nuclear arsenal.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 24/06/2023 13:49

So he’s bad news for Ukraine if he gets in?

Hohohogreenjennie · 24/06/2023 13:49

I haven’t seen anything to verify it but I’ve seen lots of rumours on Twitter about the presidential plane has been spotted departing and that he’s no longer in Moscow.

Let’s wait and see what happens 😬

Hohohogreenjennie · 24/06/2023 13:52

FUCK!!

Thoughts and prayers with the citizens of Moscow. Hopefully no innocent civilians get caught in the cross fire of this madness.

What's going on in Moscow?? Wagner convoys go towards Moscow.
SunnyEgg · 24/06/2023 13:53

Hohohogreenjennie · 24/06/2023 13:49

I haven’t seen anything to verify it but I’ve seen lots of rumours on Twitter about the presidential plane has been spotted departing and that he’s no longer in Moscow.

Let’s wait and see what happens 😬

Not sure I can grin on this one. All a bit concerning

Wagner group sound like they could be worse

PerkingFaintly · 24/06/2023 14:05

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2023 13:48

They were already bought, they're mercenaries.

Seems a pretty logical move by governments which are unable to get directly involved, due to their enemy threatening to use its nuclear arsenal.

They're not mercenaries pure and simple, though.

Good thread here:
https://twitter.com/profpaulpoast/status/1672573242014588929?s=46&t=ZRiOqYBPJdwGCarjKNzCeQ
Paul Poast
...much depends on how you classify the Wagner group...

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Kristen Harkness
3h
Replying to @bfwalter
Yeah… not sure mercenary is a fully accurate label here. Not after the last year. Somewhere in the gray zone between a paramilitary, pro-government militia, and private military company. It seems to be an attempt to bring them under full military command that blew this up.

https://twitter.com/profpaulpoast/status/1672573242014588929?s=46&t=ZRiOqYBPJdwGCarjKNzCeQ

IMustDoMoreExercise · 24/06/2023 14:05

Hohohogreenjennie · 24/06/2023 13:41

Since a lot of the Russian army are in Ukraine/on the border it appears that Chechen forces are coming to intercept the Wagner rebellion.

Am I missing something big here? I thought they hated ‘the Butcher of Chechnya” aka Vladimir Putin.

I believe it was Wagner that butchered them so they hate him more than Putin I think.

SinnerBoy · 24/06/2023 14:10

Hohohogreenjennie · Today 13:41

Am I missing something big here? I thought they hated ‘the Butcher of Chechnya” aka Vladimir Putin.

Ramzan Kadyrov is a good friend of Putin, who put him in power. The Chechens did some "fighting" early on in the war (mostly rape and murdering unarmed civilians). The Ukrainians gave them a bloody nose and captured a load of them.

Prigozhin has been criticising Putin for several months now and has accused him of deliberately withholding food and ammunition from his forces.

My wife is from a former Soviet republic and told me that the Russians and Wagner have been having limited skirmishes for about 10 days.

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2023 14:13

PerkingFaintly · 24/06/2023 14:05

They're not mercenaries pure and simple, though.

Good thread here:
https://twitter.com/profpaulpoast/status/1672573242014588929?s=46&t=ZRiOqYBPJdwGCarjKNzCeQ
Paul Poast
...much depends on how you classify the Wagner group...

Quote Tweet
Kristen Harkness
3h
Replying to @bfwalter
Yeah… not sure mercenary is a fully accurate label here. Not after the last year. Somewhere in the gray zone between a paramilitary, pro-government militia, and private military company. It seems to be an attempt to bring them under full military command that blew this up.

I agree it's not entirely clear, as the experts on that thread disagree.

They have been guns for hire in numerous conflicts across Africa, the Middle East and South America. Usually invited by Putin - but doing it for money all the same.

SerendipityJane · 24/06/2023 14:26

Ramzan Kadyrov is a good friend of Putin, who put him in power

People like Putin don't have "friends". Whether they know it or not.

OwlBabiesAreCute · 24/06/2023 14:28

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/06/2023 00:33

Mutiny?

No. Putiny...

SerendipityJane · 24/06/2023 14:29

OwlBabiesAreCute · 24/06/2023 14:28

No. Putiny...

Shouldn't you be getting your coat ?

Thatladdo · 24/06/2023 14:35

Hohohogreenjennie · 24/06/2023 13:49

I haven’t seen anything to verify it but I’ve seen lots of rumours on Twitter about the presidential plane has been spotted departing and that he’s no longer in Moscow.

Let’s wait and see what happens 😬

Several private business jets were seen leaving Moscow just before 1pm for St Peterburg in convoy, Including the jet that usualy ferrys Putin around ( Ilushin II-96-300PU) and followed by a second Ru plane which also has the "PU" identifier at the end of its name meaning it also carries the russian command and control cabability ( Big red button if you will ).
It seems Moscow has been abandoned by some...

Belarus Was Abandoned last night 😂

SerendipityJane · 24/06/2023 14:39

Belarus Was Abandoned last night

Isn't Lukashenko Putins BFF ?

SerendipityJane · 24/06/2023 14:40

Hohohogreenjennie · 24/06/2023 13:26

A COBRA meeting has been called discuss the unfolding situation in Russia. It will be chaired by foreign Secretary James Cleverly.

We can only remember what the Duke of Wellington said about the list of generals on his owns side ....

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 24/06/2023 14:40

OwlBabiesAreCute · 24/06/2023 14:28

No. Putiny...

Amazing.

PerkingFaintly · 24/06/2023 14:41

We should also expect to see, whatever happens, the victor claiming it was All Someone Else's Fault.

Typically will be blamed on the loser + the West.

I mean, it can't possibly be structural to the current Russian state or quelle horreur! to the incumbent (for the time) Russian ruler.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 24/06/2023 14:41

Thatladdo · 24/06/2023 14:35

Several private business jets were seen leaving Moscow just before 1pm for St Peterburg in convoy, Including the jet that usualy ferrys Putin around ( Ilushin II-96-300PU) and followed by a second Ru plane which also has the "PU" identifier at the end of its name meaning it also carries the russian command and control cabability ( Big red button if you will ).
It seems Moscow has been abandoned by some...

Belarus Was Abandoned last night 😂

Didn’t putin run away and pack his family off as Ukraine all kicked off. Whilst Zelenskyy stayed?

Thatladdo · 24/06/2023 14:45

SerendipityJane · 24/06/2023 14:39

Belarus Was Abandoned last night

Isn't Lukashenko Putins BFF ?

His Jet flew to Turkey last night a couple of hours after this started. There are Wagner units in Belarus also, I could imagine he maybe didnt feel so comfortable. Even with his 90% majority 🙄

SerendipityJane · 24/06/2023 14:53

For some reason I remember Idi Amin ended his days in Saudi Arabia.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 24/06/2023 14:56

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