To think that people like anti-abortionist Kristan Hawkins are the enemy of women and feminism everywhere

[Purplefoxes]

Maybe extreme but..I was just reading this BBC article (link below) on Kristan Hawkins and it made my blood boil as I am pro choice. She is the woman from the US organisation Students for Life of America and has been instrumental in over turning Roe v Wade. She is now on the back of this 'success' campaigning for total abortion ban across America . The overturning of Roe V Wade is a decision which will likely result in the death or debilitation of many pregnant women who either cannot access much needed abortions for health reasons or try to access back street illegal abortions or could even commit suicide as a result. Not to mention there could be many unwanted children dumped into the care system or brought up in abusive environments. I just cannot fathom why anyone, let alone a woman would do this. I'm sure if it was one of her kids who was pregnant and needed a medical abortion to save their life she'd change her tune! How blinkered does a person have to be to not think of the impact of banning abortion on both women and children! And how has such medieval policy been allowed to happen in modern day America..could this happen in the UK?! Are we losing our rights as women? When did the life of a fetus become more important than the life of its mother?

BBC article

I've watched the TV show. In the show the society systemically rapes fertile women to produce offspring. The offspring are then taken away by the Gilead government or whatever. It's nothing like UK society.

Also I remember very clearly in an episode where a handmaid escapes to Canada (with her child).

What's your issue? If she had been aborted she wouldn't have been able to grow up and have a life.

Handmaiden is slang on here for someone that supports abortion, lobbies for men to have rights over our autonomy etc. So yes, well done, not a million miles away. Why would you want to force the trauma of birth on your fellow female?

May God bless you, sweet summer child. Can we all come and live in candyfloss land with you? It sounds lovely, floating from one (rich white) non problem to the next. You do know don’t you that many many children are born into deprivation, abuse, poverty, homes where they are not loved or wanted. They don’t all grow up with a naice white women and float on to fulfil all their hopes and dreams. I truly wish that was the case, but since the earth started turning, it hasn’t been that way. And it’ll never be that way just because some very odd people want to control a woman’s right to a say over her own body.

Because I see the mothers life and the babies life as equally valid. I want women to be supported during a difficult pregnancy. Society may not do that now, but let's change society so we can help these women. There are charities out there, there is (some) government help. We should encourage a nuclear family that helps each family member out.

I just don't believe the baby/foetus/whatever should be denied the right to grow up and live a life (a right which we all here have had).

Yes many children are born into poverty. Let's help them and not kill them. I myself donate to such charities and have volunteered directly in the past

Once again it's not the women's body, it's the baby's body. It has its own unique DNA, internal organ, heart etc.

I also don't support killing the homeless.

So a woman should be forced to remain pregnant and give birth just because in your kangaroo court you believe the baby has more of a right? Because that’s what you’re saying. By giving the right to life, you are denying a woman the autonomy over her own body. Never mind all this support and charity nonsense, what if she just wants to end the pregnancy? What then?

Homeless people?! What on earth are you on about? Have you been drinking hun?

Yes

Whatever, but of you have daughters please don't pass these views down to them. It could put their lives at risk.

Homeless people - people in poverty who are having a very bad life.

Trying to make a parallel to the "unwanted children grow up in poverty and unhappiness"

You are beyond redemption with views like that. How evil do you have to be to force a woman to remain pregnant and give birth? Disgusting.

Honestly, you are wasting your time with me. You’d see a woman die before you’d see her right to abortion. Shame on you handmaiden.

The forced birthers (I am done being polite about them now) don't care about women. They think it's fine that women die from illegal abortions. They think it's fine that women die or sustain birth injuries both physical and emotional from a pregnancy they have been forced to carry. They love gestational slavery and think women are vessels. They have no morals or empathy and cannot be reasoned with.

I completely agree and I must try and remember next time I’m wasting my energy. They hate us.

I would help them with any pregnancies and be delighted to have grandchildren?

I could turn this around and say it's evil to dismember a baby/fetus and kill them before they've had a chance to grow up and live a life

I wouldn't want a woman to die of a pregnancy. If a termination is needed to save the mother's life because her physical health is in danger. It's necessary?

You don't see the mothers life as equal at all.

Thousands of women die each year because they cannot access safe abortion.

When will anti-choicers get this through their heads? The choice is not between abortion and no abortion, it's between safe and unsafe abortion.

If you oppose abortion, you are happy to see desperate, vulnerable women forced to travel in many cases thousands of miles to access illegal, unsafe medical care which in any sensible world is provided as a matter of course.

Pro-life my fucking arse.

Come off it with the emotive language. The data on abortion rates in the UK by gestational age is well known. There's no dismemberment in a medical abortion. D&C is generally carried out before the foetus is mature enough to feel pain. Abortions past this point are in 99% of cases carried out for medical reasons and the foetus is given a lethal injection. It's not nice, but it's sadly necessary.

So just admit you put women second at all times and have done.

And if she wanted or needed an abortion, you would tell her it's wrong and if she listened to you she could die?

Not according to Kristan Hawkins and her arganisation who who seem to support.

How at risk does her life have to be before it's okay for her to get an abortion. 10% of dying? 90%? 100%? if she'll probably survive but have severe life-long health conditions? If she's ten like the girl in Ohio, who people like Hawkins think should have been forced to give birth anyway?

If it was medically necessary of course I'd support her. I wouldn't want my daughter to die.

Ideally I'd like my daughter to survive give birth to a healthy baby and for me to be a grandparent.

She just changed the definition and said it's it's medically necessary it's not an abortion it's just some other procedure.

You do pose an interesting question with the risk.

Does ‘medically necessary’ include mental health issues and whether your daughter could potentially be suicidal if she was forced to give birth? I’m just trying to understand the kangaroo court and it’s judgements a bit more.