To think that people like anti-abortionist Kristan Hawkins are the enemy of women and feminism everywhere

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Maybe extreme but..I was just reading this BBC article (link below) on Kristan Hawkins and it made my blood boil as I am pro choice. She is the woman from the US organisation Students for Life of America and has been instrumental in over turning Roe v Wade. She is now on the back of this 'success' campaigning for total abortion ban across America . The overturning of Roe V Wade is a decision which will likely result in the death or debilitation of many pregnant women who either cannot access much needed abortions for health reasons or try to access back street illegal abortions or could even commit suicide as a result. Not to mention there could be many unwanted children dumped into the care system or brought up in abusive environments. I just cannot fathom why anyone, let alone a woman would do this. I'm sure if it was one of her kids who was pregnant and needed a medical abortion to save their life she'd change her tune! How blinkered does a person have to be to not think of the impact of banning abortion on both women and children! And how has such medieval policy been allowed to happen in modern day America..could this happen in the UK?! Are we losing our rights as women? When did the life of a fetus become more important than the life of its mother?

BBC article

If you believe an abortion is murder then there cant be a medical exemption

I don't agree with this by the way and I very strongly pro choice

But I genuinely dont think many "pro life" aka forced birth people would want to give an exemption to a 10 year old because their entire concern is for the foetus not for a pregnant child. Given their interest usually wanes after birth they don't really care about children at all tbh

It wasn't. She had to go out of state.

This is what people have been trying to tell those who think they're pro life. These are the consequences: women and girls at the mercy of a patriarchal, dogmatic and capricious system. This is what you want if you want abortion banned, because these are the consequences.

Want fewer abortions? Copy what happens in countries with the lowest abortion rates. Excellent sex education, easily affordable and low cost contraception, a solid financial safety net, a culture where judgement is minimal and where wo.en are respected. The anti abortion movement consists mostly of people who do not want any of these things. This is why pro choice is the sensible and most moral option.

Anti-abortionists are the ultimate in Virtue Signallers. Too busy listening to the voices in their head of the "unborn" to engage with real women's lived reality.

Lots of the pro life websites/social media I see mention that pro life people often help and aid the mothers after birth.

Many "pro-life" websites lie.

Most pro life websites lie.

They claim abortion is dangerous - it is less risky than carrying to term and giving birth.

They claim it causes secondary infertility- it doesn't.

They claim first trimester foetuses feel pain - they don't.

They claim abortion regret is pretty much universal - it's rare.

They claim all third trimester abortions involve dismemberment the living foetus - they don't.

If they argued their cause honestly, using genuine peer reviewed science, they know they would have no arguments except 'but saving babies' and 'but God'. So they lie.

depending at what stage she was at I’d do an early c section. Poor girl would have to give birth anyway if she aborted which is why I don’t agree with abortion once it needs to be born - unless there is a serious medical problem for the fetus.

A section is major abdominal surgery which carries significant risk. It should be up to medical professionals to decide how best to proceed. Suggesting a section as a blanket solution is horrific. Would you force a woman who got a late diagnosis of DS and did not want to continue the pregnancy knto a section, just to 'save the baby'?

Well no, not according to these people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/16/us/abortion-bans-children.html
Kristan Hawkins, president of Students for Life of America, said, “The violence of rape will not be cured by the violence of abortion. The love and support that this child needs will be ongoing, not momentary.”

The violence of rape will not be cured by the violence of abortion. The love and support that this child needs will be ongoing, not momentary.”

What an immense hypocrite.

What about the child who was raped? Will the love and support she needs be ongoing? Or will the rapist's violence against her be ongoing as her body changes to maintain a pregnancy it can barely support? As she recovers from major abdominal surgery, because a little girl's pelvis is unlikely to accommodate the passage of an infant's head? As her childhood is stolen by the realities of being a mother?

Will^ the^ love and support that the actual child needs, the child who was actually harmed, the child who actually exists, rather than any potential child, will
the^^ love and support that this child needs be ongoing?

Not from Kristan Hawkins, I'm sure.

Well that's a flat out lie. How is it not abortion?

@eggsbenedict23 you make my blood boil, and I am usually very level headed. I honestly have no words.

It's clear as day you have never met someone who's gone through an incredible amount of hardship. Congratulations on that, I guess.

Just extremely thankful someone like you will never be in my circle.

Was harassed by some American woman on an abortion topic on FB on Monday.
She started spouting pseudo science & claimed population was actually dropping.
Really didn't like it when I linked in predictions of 10.4 billion world population by 2100. She also accused me of supporting baby m**r.
And load of other crap.

In end reported her for harassment and blocked her.
So she got her friends to have a go at me instead.
Ridiculous.
Blocked and reported all four of them.
Seems to be a growing minority over there of web warriors who attack other women for termination opinions.
Then claim "free speech" and that we don't have that in Britain!
Effing deluded 🤬

Just another embittered fatty.

Oh come on, we are better than that. Plenty of excellent arguments against her position, personal insults are not needed.

Difference being no one is seeking to ban lipo or gastric bands or that new injection. So you can get rid of that unwanted fat whenever you like. No-one is taking away your body autonomy because they disapprove of your life choices.

Can we meet in the middle? The cells / foetus / baby / Nobel-laureate-in-waiting is removed from the women who doesn’t want to gestate it but not aborted? Saving a life and allowing body autonomy. Win-win.

We don't have the technology to do that. Doing that would still have to be the woman's choice as it would be a medical intervention. And I hope you are not advocating forcing a woman to carry to viability and then forcing her to have a section, because that would be barbaric

Gee, really?!

Sorry, I thought you were being serious.

No, just trying a different tack for highlighting the ridiculousness of the forced birthers.

That statement needs to start being used as a marker for how (un)intelligent a person is.

Women like this give me the creeps. We expect nonsense from men, but your fellow woman? Nah, be gone forced birth handmaiden.

No matter what is said here. My view won't change.

Get in the bin handmaiden.

The levels of delusion with some of these numpties is off the scale. There was a disgusting ad doing the rounds on social media with a young white woman holding a baby and the phrase (along the lines of) ‘thank God I wasn’t aborted and will grow up to fulfill my dreams’. If some people had a brain they’d be dangerous (even more dangerous than they are now).