To tell those who lecture me on vaping to Fuck Off

[Dogsitterwoes]

AIBU. No, let them lecture you
YANBU - Yes, be rude to them

I'm in my 50s and was a long term smoker. I switched to vaping in January. I am considerate and only vape outdoors and move away from other people or into a smoking area. People sometimes
comment, there's a brief convo around my giving up smoking, and 9 out of 10 respond nicely in a 'well done you' kind of way.

The 1 out of 10 though start lecturing me on the evils of vaping. These can be complete strangers, or acquaintances. They go on and on.
Usual themes:

1. Just as bad for you or worse for you than smoking.
2. Children are vaping.
3. Environmental impact of disposables.

I respond politely. I acknowledge there is a concern around all of this, and
1 - I know they aren't exactly good for me but I think they are not as bad as cigarettes, and it's my intension to also stop vaping this year
2 - I agree the manufacturer's should stop targeting non-smokers with the sweet flavours
3 - I agree, I use a rechargeable, but there's probably a lot more all of us could be doing for the environment.

But they do not let it drop. I've literally been lectured at on and on.

YANBU to stop being polite after my initial response and tell them that if I stopped vaping today, I'd be back on the fags tomorrow so mind their own fucking business?

None of their business.

Don’t let anyone push you off the vape too fast. I vaped for three years to successfully end a lifetime smoking habit. I don’t miss either now.

When my husband started vaping I bought some zero percent for the flavor because his smelled good. That lasted two days. What was the point really? He was about two years vaping. Now an ex smoker as well. It’s a very valid tool!

I did have an issue with my blood sugar going low as I quit the vape but I had been on on 100 percent glycerin. That was nothing compared to the chemical laden cancer sticks.

Keep up the good work!

What’s the point when all you will do is ridicule me and call me a liar - why would I waste my time with that. I really do not care what you think of me - I don’t have to prove anything. I am confident in my job and any necessary reporting and don’t need to be cross examined by you thank you!

@Mybusyday you have rejected or insulted posters, refused to engage in any actual debate or conversation unless it fits your biased narrative and refused to give any meaningful information or statements.

I sincerely hope you are just some bored housewife with nothing better to do because if you are genuinely in healthcare as you claim you are a poor example. Wherever you stand on smoking or vaping is not important, go back to basics and learn how to be a decent person.

Actually, a comparison between vaping and anti biotics is a very valid one IMO

Both could potentially cause harm to wider society (although we know this for certain with antibiotic overuse - we still don’t have data to suggest this is the case with vaping)

Both can potentially cause harm on a personal level - people being allergic to either or antibiotics giving you thrush (for example) and vaping making you cough

But both antibiotics and vaping do far, far more good than they do harm - when used in the right circumstances, by the right people.

The point is that for adverse reactions to vaping reported to MHRA:

Between 1 January 2021 and 13 January 2022, 14 of the reports were considered serious (resulting in a total of 122 serious reports since May 2016) and 12 non-serious (resulting in a total of 135 non-serious reports since May 2016). There were no fatalities reported between 1 January 2021 and 13 January 2022.

I was wondering how this could be when you say you 'constantly' see serious adverse reactions to vaping in your practice.

I do notice on re-reading PHE's latest report that:

The MHRA’s Yellow Card scheme collects and monitors information on safety concerns or incidents involving medicines or medical devices in the UK. It is based on voluntary reporting by health professionals and the public. Accordingly, anyone can report an adverse reaction that they suspect to be related to vaping.

So it's even more baffling to me now why you would not have reported all these adverse reactions you are seeing. You don't even need to be clinician

Nope. Every pro-vaping argument has the caveat that it shouldn’t be so accessible to children.

Ive said it numerous times - I back it as a smoking cessation tool but definitely think that a major crackdown needs to happen to stop underage use. But as others have said, kids will be kids and whilst you’d rather they didn’t vape - it’s much better that than they take up smoking, underage drinking or recreational drug use.

Also - to reiterate, nobody has said that vaping is 100% safe. Nothing is 100% safe.

See my example on drinking water - many more people have died from water intoxication than from vaping.

You know what your problem is? You try to present facts and logical arguments to people to back up your position. You don’t use enough vomit emojis and the underuse of exclamation points and question marks just seriously has me doubting your argument.

If you really want to bring me around to your way of thinking, you really need to change your debate tactics

I can't find the vomit emoji 🙁

No way is busyday a clinician.
I hope they are not spamming this thread when they should be working.....
My neighbour had their washing out earlier, I had an irrational urge to blow vapour at it so I don't think busyday has achieved what they hope to on this thread 😆

Bloody he'll, its all getting rather mean on this thread, is there any need to be so attacking

You haven't actually quit though? You've just swapped?

In the same way that someone on a diet hasn’t ‘quit’ eating food that’s bad for them, they’ve just swapped to healthier alternatives?

I have insulted anyone it is because they have insulted me first - I will not tolerate nastiness because I share a different view to someone. If I was a bored housewife I’m sure I could find a more interesting thread to post on 🙄 I am a thoroughly decent person thank you and a bloody good clinician - you don’t know me (thankfully!)

Don’t care if you think I am a clinician or not - I know the truth, why would I lie - it is certainly not to impress you. Oh I know I will never achieve what I hope to talking to a bunch of vapers who are stupid enough to think that vaping won’t be detrimental to their health!

If it isn't obvious to you, we do need to eat food. We don't need to smoke or vape. Straw man argument.

I think vaping did more good than harm a few years ago before big corporations and organised crime got into the market and before it was known that vaping itself was extremely addictive and damaging. More medical evidence will come out in time and I firmly believe that eventually it will be subject to the same pricing and controls as smoking, and quite rightly too.

In fact if vaping is useful for giving up smoking then it should be for medical use only and only available in pharmacies for controlled purchase under supervision of a pharmacist- as, say, Nicorette products are.

You can buy nicorette in corner shops though

This has already been covered on this thread.
One of the reasons it is so effective as a smoking cessation tool is because it is so easily accessible
to people trying to quit.

No need to be sarcastic.
Again, the “if you are vaping you haven’t quit smoking” argument has already been covered on this thread.

I completely agree with you

This absolutely makes sense - saying that vaping is a tool to stop smoking is rubbish - if that was the case it should be under medically controlled.

@Tryagainplease

But vaping is absolutely not healthier!

Bonkers to say that, speak to any respiratory physician

The NHS employ quite a few