To tell those who lecture me on vaping to Fuck Off

[Dogsitterwoes]

AIBU. No, let them lecture you
YANBU - Yes, be rude to them

I'm in my 50s and was a long term smoker. I switched to vaping in January. I am considerate and only vape outdoors and move away from other people or into a smoking area. People sometimes
comment, there's a brief convo around my giving up smoking, and 9 out of 10 respond nicely in a 'well done you' kind of way.

The 1 out of 10 though start lecturing me on the evils of vaping. These can be complete strangers, or acquaintances. They go on and on.
Usual themes:

1. Just as bad for you or worse for you than smoking.
2. Children are vaping.
3. Environmental impact of disposables.

I respond politely. I acknowledge there is a concern around all of this, and
1 - I know they aren't exactly good for me but I think they are not as bad as cigarettes, and it's my intension to also stop vaping this year
2 - I agree the manufacturer's should stop targeting non-smokers with the sweet flavours
3 - I agree, I use a rechargeable, but there's probably a lot more all of us could be doing for the environment.

But they do not let it drop. I've literally been lectured at on and on.

YANBU to stop being polite after my initial response and tell them that if I stopped vaping today, I'd be back on the fags tomorrow so mind their own fucking business?

🤣🤣🤣 oh because you know everything on the planet? Oh ok then you must be right! 🙄🙄🙄

Exactly - there are absolutely no benefits to vaping!!

Why would I lie about my job?? It is hardly a glamorous career! And yes - I do constantly see people who are having negative effects from vaping

Time will prove this tiny you worry and surely one unnecessary death from vaping is one too many 🧐

Ughh gross - no thank you! 🤮

Exactly - this really is quite worrying!

It is a huge problem and certainly not helped by vapers claiming that it is 100% safe - it really is not - no wonder vaping is rife in schools when adults are insisting it is ‘fine and not at all dangerous’!

It’s not just ‘one’ school - it is widespread across the country and not just secondary schools but primary schools too

I think most people have said the opposite really.

I'd rather kids were vaping over smoking though, if they were definitely going to do one.

But no, as with most other of the genuine contributors to the thread, I think that more should be done to keep them out of the hands of kids

Where has anyone said it's 100%?

The only person talking in absolutes is you.

Literally everyone who has bothered to inform themselves has cited PHE and their 95% figure

Does anyone else remember that doomsday cult that kept saying with 100% certainty the world would end on X date, then when nothing happened they just gave another date? These 'just you wait it's coming' posts feel awfully reminiscent 😂

I've not said it's 100% safe, but it's a lot safer than cigarettes and there is no good evidence that second hand vape clouds are harmful (unless you count looking like an twat wafting around holding your breath when you see someone vaping). But this isn't a conversation so I'll just wait for this vague revelation alluded to, no need to respond.

I'd rather kids were vaping over smoking though, if they were definitely going to do one.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. If both were prohibitively expensive and locked up behind the counter, subject to the same controls as cigarettes are, they wouldn't be doing either, or certainly not in such large numbers.

Laughing emoji, always sure sign of a strong argument, whilst neatly side stepping the schools issue.

DH smoked for years, swapped for vaping years ago. In the last year he has developed a horrible cough and will not see the GP about it. I know sometimes people get a cough, oddly when they give up smoking, but it has been years of vaping now and I'm sure the vape itself has damaged his lungs, on top of the damage done by cigarettes.

Nope - have you read the whole thread?? So many people arguing with me that it is 100% safe!

Why is somebody wafting away disgusting vape from their faces a twat? The only twats are those putting other peoples health at risk!

Absolutely this!! It should no way be one or the other - they are both awful and unsafe!

Unfortunately this might be the case, I hope he is ok

No, I haven't worked in healthcare for many years and I am not familiar with the current yellow card reporting procedure beyond what it says on gov.uk and the MHRA website.

I'm not a clinician like you, so maybe you could explain it to me. I'd still like to know why you have not reported all these serious adverse reactions you are constantly seeing.

Thanks!

He really should go to the GP. A persistent cough is usually nothing serious but it can be a symptom of lung cancer. Unfortunately, even once someone has stopped smoking, their risk of developing cancer never returns fully to what it would have been if they had never smoked.

The NHS is currently rolling out a programme to offer lung cancer screening to every 'ever smoker' aged 55-74.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-nhs-plan-to-provide-a-lung-cancer-test-for-every-ex-smoker-from-middle-age/

I've read the whole thread and have not seen a single poster claim that vaping is 100% safe.

Well there you go then! Stop googling stuff you know nothing about and trying to trip me up because it won’t work

Try reading the whole thread again 🙄

There is currently a problem with the sale of disposables to children and the sale of black market, unregulated vapes.

It's easy to think a ban is the answer but we already have laws banning sales to children and banning unregulated black market products. Why would a ban on all disposables, or even all vapes as some would like, work any better?

The problem is the laws are not being enforced. Trading Standards make very, very few prosecutions and the fines for offending businesses are very low. TS have recently asked the government for more support with this issue. While the risks of getting caught are so low, unscupulous businesses will continue selling to children and selling illegal products.

Sorry (but not surprised) you can't explain it to me.