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Brother has a secret wife

156 replies

Lissaaaaaa · 10/06/2023 17:51

I am from an Indian culture and born in India.
My Brother moved away aged 18 and has been very successful in life.
I came to know that aged 23 he married someone he knew my parents would absolutely never agree with.
She was older than him by 8 years and a single parent. Beautiful, educated and lovely as I've met her but my parents would never bother with him again.
I don't know why he did it but he took her to India and married her with all his friends around. I found out when I visited him in the U.K. He really wanted to get married and start a family but didn't want to deal with the aggression, emotional blackmail and disowning at the start of family life he said.
My Brother isn't married to anyone else back in India, has his own money and own indefinite leave to remain. He's not 'playing' her he clearly adores her and they have a baby boy.
Now I have kept this secret for two years and my attitude is it's not my secret to tell.
I know he loves his Wife and is just scared of the reaction. I don't agree with what he's done and think he should absolutely tell my parents but actually it's not my secret and it's not my place to give an ultimatum to tell them either.
AIBU?

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AndDoTheTangoInTheNightTAAAAAANGOOO · 10/06/2023 20:43

Lissaaaaaa · 10/06/2023 17:58

Think it's more the culture and the people they've been brought up around.
I myself am a divorcee which is so stigmatised but they were happy when I married my husband and he took me on as a divorcee. So it's alright for someone else's Son but not theirs.
He has the right to live in the U.K. so desirable back home and they could marry him to someone they see as a very good catch.
So they will feel it's a waste. All toxic.
But obviously many many Indian people are nothing like this.
Just a few still have this mentality.

They can't marry him to anyone 🙄, he's an adult with his own mind and already has a wife, he doesn't need another. Sounds like he made the right decision to break free from a toxic cultural environment. He's happy leave him be.

mrscheema · 10/06/2023 20:44

Fairislefandango · 10/06/2023 20:36

They have a grandson which they will be delighted with I think. So maybe that will soften the blow.

Why should your brother tell them if that's their attitude? Why should the baby be used to soften the blow of something that shouldn't be a blow at all? It's their own fault entirely for having such an intolerant , controlling attitude.

It's very clear he has no intention of disowning them and still wants their admiration and to keep in good relations.
If he was okay with them disowning him he'd have told them already.

Cantstandbullshitanymore · 10/06/2023 20:44

Lissaaaaaa · 10/06/2023 20:06

I think this part has been massively taken out of context.
They don't consider them their 'grandchildren' as in their culture that would only be biological children of their children.
But they absolutely adore them and treat them like family and kindly.

This doesn’t really improve their image in anyway and frankly I’m not sure how or why you’re going on about your brother telling them when you also admit they are toxic and you understand his reason. Leave him alone and face your life.

Tigger1895 · 10/06/2023 20:48

Sorry to be so harsh but your children are their grandchildren. If they don’t see them as such, they’ll never accept your brothers wife or his son.

Rottenapples · 10/06/2023 20:51

I’m Indian. I’ve kept all of my relationships secret from my parents, it’s not worth the bother and heartache. Lying about where I was and who I was with just became a part of my nature.

I did have to tell them I was getting married though. I left it to the very last possible moment. The day I had to tell them I was so nervous I spent the whole day throwing up at work.

This was knowing that other than being white, my partner was wholly acceptable - opposite gender, good job, middle class, never married no kids, ‘correct’ age gap etc. If I had been in your brother’s shoes I probably also would’ve never told them.

I truly believe that we are a sacrificial generation of Indians, stuck between extremely conservative parents and a liberal world view. I hope that our parents attitudes die with us once and for all and we are the last to suffer from such mindsets. I’d happily absorb even more shit than I already have just to make sure that my little brother and my future children will never face the same.

Fretfulmum · 10/06/2023 20:52

Your brother is doing what any decent loving man does- protecting his own family from toxic and abusive people. They are his priority.
It seems he was also protecting them from you as you only accidentally found out.

Whatifthegrassisblue · 10/06/2023 20:52

Why would you tell your parents unless you want to sabotage everything. I think you need to be honest with yourself why you want to do it

Dancingcandlesticks · 10/06/2023 20:54

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 10/06/2023 18:29

Your parents are shocking. How. Am they treat their children this way? Absolutely fucked.

This is so sad. I can’t imagine thinking that way. That must break your heart. Did it not make you want to take a leaf out of your brother’s book and put some distance between you and your parents?

a1poshpaws · 10/06/2023 20:56

To be blunt but 100% honest - it's not your place to tell your brother's secrets to anyone.

Mind your own business and be happy that whatever happens in the future at least you weren't a contemptible little clipe (in case you don't know the word, it's Scots for "a grass; a tell-tale-tit; etc.) and are therefore blame free.

Begonne · 10/06/2023 20:58

Would it help to look at this another way: by keeping this secret aren’t you sparing them from the pain and shame? Is it not the kindest thing you can do for everyone?

Eleganz · 10/06/2023 21:01

Let your brother live his own life. That includes deciding what relationship he has with his parents and what he chooses to tell them about his life.

WhatsTheEffingPoint · 10/06/2023 21:01

I've been quite wracked with guilt these days as some friends who attended the wedding have said as I'm family I am a disgrace for not saying anything.I'm letting my parents down.I'm a bad Daughter etc

So your bad for not telling them but all these friends are perfect by also keeping the same secret?! Daughter or not these 'friends' are in the same boat so are as equally 'disgraced'.

Redebs · 10/06/2023 21:03

I hope you aren't considering telling them OP?

Twokidsnomore · 10/06/2023 21:22

Lissaaaaaa · 10/06/2023 18:21

No they do not consider them their grandchildren in any way.

This is the saddest part of the whole situation. Your parents sound truly awful.

Dovetail40 · 10/06/2023 21:24

The parents need to be aware that their adult son has made a decision for his about his own life.

In all cultures there will be parents who do not like the partner.

However, they must accept it their choice.

Less venom towards another human. More acceptance will make a peaceful place.

ForTheSakeOfThePenguin · 10/06/2023 21:34

Honestly OP, nothing but most rejection will come out of telling your parents. My friend is Indian, rejected an arranged marriage, married for love to a “foreign man” and has an amazing son.

Her mother knew she got married, she disowned her and although her mother begrudgingly talks to her when the need arises, she has refused point blank to meet her wonderful grandson, even when he is a boy and the only grandchild of the family. She has also forbidden her other daughters to have contact with him.

Your brother’s wife is not a secret, she is his wife to the people who matter to him. If he has not told your extended family either is because he wants to save your parents from the gossip and nasty comments they will very likely get. So don’t be the person who manages to make your brother go no contact with your parents (and upset them to boot) by revealing the marriage.

LovePoppy · 10/06/2023 21:43

Lissaaaaaa · 10/06/2023 18:15

Nope. He's actually their only grandchild too as my children were both conceived via donor egg (but a close relative). As I always knew I couldn't have my own children.

So they worry they will have no grandchildren.
And they have a BOY grandchild which to them is even more special.
Terribly sad.

Your parents are absolutely terrible people for not considering your children their grandchildren

Ingrowncrotchhair · 10/06/2023 21:45

Cornchip · 10/06/2023 18:27

Your parents are awful people.

You enable them and want to cause drama by telling them for some reason- was your brother the golden child growing up? Sounds as if you can’t stand the fact he’s happy.

And your kids, poor kids. They don’t have grandparents because they were donor conceived? What a side life for them, having two grandparents that bigoted and unloving.

The real winners here are your brother, his wife and his child. At least they don’t have to be around your monstrous parents.

The op has said she doesn’t want to tell them, calm yourself down

AndEverWhoKnew · 10/06/2023 21:53

It's a shame you're in this position. Your DB lives in a different country. I think it's weak of him not to tell his parents about his marriage and his DS. Is there an inheritance? Is that why he doesn't want to be disowned?
I know most PPs are looking at it from your DB's perspective. But I think for your SIL and their DS, it's very disrespectful of your DB to keep them secret. Every relationship I know that started by being kept secret, has ended badly.

crabbyoldappletree · 10/06/2023 21:54

Just checking I've got this right; are your parents still in India, and you and your brother in the UK? If so, I think whilst it's sad your parents are missing out on seeing their children and grandchildren, I can also understand why they'd be worried about 'losing face' within their society. I think it's hard for people to understand if you're not from that culture, but it takes a massive amount of bravery to go against your culture, especially if they are still very much engage with it. Again whilst it must seem very hurtful to you they won't acknowledge your children as their grandchildren, I don't think it's that unusual for some very traditional cultures (a friend of mine has no contact with her parents as they couldn't accept she had an IVF baby, in her case her parents are very strict Christians)
On one level you're right it's not your place to tell them, but as and when they find out, would your relationship be broken with them if they knew you knew and said nothing?
Sounds a very tricky road to navigate OP.

MysteryBelle · 10/06/2023 22:07

Your brother’s family, his wife and child, is not a shameful secret but a precious treasure that must be protected from hateful judgmental bigots.

He gets it. Why can’t you?

You want to tattle tell on him to appear to others as a “good” daughter to bigots. You’re no better than them. Your motive is to elevate yourself, not help your parents become decent people and repair their relationships with family.

And it’s not your secret, you found out “accidentally”, and so he didn’t want you to know either. So stay out of his business.

Setting · 10/06/2023 22:08

Lissaaaaaa · 10/06/2023 18:21

No they do not consider them their grandchildren in any way.

Oh holy fuck, why are you still in contact with them!? You realise this is very abnormal? Your poor child re, please don’t let them around these damaging people, can you imagine what they will grow up with this kind of trauma? Your brother has the right idea in living his own life.

MysteryBelle · 10/06/2023 22:10

Are you trying to commandeer his inheritance?

Wallywobbles · 10/06/2023 22:12

What do your children call your parents?

Kendodd · 10/06/2023 22:24

Reading all these stories about toxic parents disowning children. What exactly do the parents get out of choosing to behave like this? I can't see how it benefits them in any way. Perhaps someone can explain?