To think FSID shouldn't be promoting the use of dummies?

[TheDevilWearsPrimark]

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I think the advice is based on very loose research evidence and they are wrong to suggest your child is unsafe if you do not use one.

TDWP - you are way way way out of order.

FWIW both my children have had dummies, independent of any research that has been done into their benefits WRT reducing risk of SIDS.

1. They are not old-fashioned as far as I am aware
2. I cannot see that they are any worse in terms of orthodontic problems than thumb-sucking, and much easier a habit to break.

And if I have another baby, you bet that I would do absolutely anything recommended to ensure that I have done what I can to reduce the risk of SIDS. Including using a dummy, if the baby was that way inclined.

In terms of FSIDS being linked to MAM, and to Grobag. I am just thankful that such research that they do is funded in some way. I am perfectly able to make a decision to use a mothercare sleeping bag rather than a grobag one, or an avent dummy rather than a mam one (in fact I have). But the fact that their linkage promotes awareness of researh and the foundation is a good thing.

miranda - according to the article you shouldn't start to give a dummy at 6 months, for the very reason you state

Disenchanted i never said anything flippant. I also would never intend to hurt someone and take massive offense at the obvious consensus that I dd so intentionally.

Had ggg not posted on here would anyone have jumped on me or got so emotional, or could we have so actually discussed this ?

As I said before I do not object to dummies, but I object to the fact that such a well respected source of information would point out the lack of a dummy as a 'threat' to the childs safety. And go so far as to suggest a brand.

That is unreasonable and irresponsible imo.

Mrs R - I would say that at least 50% of the mothers I know have at some time used a dummy, either for prolonged periods or for shorter time. I think you may be wrong about dummies being used by the minority of people.

Report away. I apologised for the post that read completely wrongly and I don't think anything else I have said is wrong.

I don't think anyone objected to the discussion about dummies, they objected to the repeated unbelievably insensitive things you posted to ggg, who acted a lot more graciously than I would have managed. You then accused her of trying to drum up sympathy.

This is not mumsnet being difficult or oversensitive, it is a group of people pointing out common decency.

The use of the word 'emotional' to suggest that people are being over sensitive is obtuse imo.

But GGG can't help but get emotional, you really owe her an apology about the feeling sorry thing, she doesn't want your pity, she wants people to minimise risk. She was devastated by her dd's death and she wants to do something anything to prevent it happening to others. It's the least she can do in her daughter's memory. That's not a bad thing. You can't blame her if she's not entirely objective.

And fwiw, I didn't and won't be giving a dummy to any of mine, regardless of what FSID might say.

By TDWP;
"If the thread upset ggg why not just leave without a post about it.

She obviously wanted me/others to feel sorry for her. Why?"

GGG posted very valid points and clearly did want to be involved in the discussion, it was your deliberately obtuse comments that made her then decide to leave the thread.

Your second comment is quite shockingly nasty tbh.

I dont get what is up with you lately, you seem bent on being abrasive.

I may have missed something - but what were the reasons given for dummies helping to prevent SIDS?

What about systematically breastfeeding a baby to sleep? Does that not give similar protection?

Good point Anna- I wonder if there is any research
I also see that the NCT are not convinced regarding dummies

TDWP, you're still doing it.

Ignore that last sentence, sorry, money is actually quite crude to bring up in this instance.

It's just that all the other advice given to prevent SIDS is - to me - intuitive, and I can easily take it on board and apply it. But the dummy advice seems counter-intuitive and therefore I would need more explanation before applying it.

Message withdrawn

Ok feck this. I'll just go start yet another thread about hoovers surely that can't possibly offend anyone.

I agree Anna 888. What concerns me about just taking up the advice is:

1. dummy use "could be a marker of something else" (to quote unicef)ie it could just be people who use dummies tend also to do something else, and this hasn't been established in the studies.

1. Breastfeeding has also been linked to reduction in SIDS (also according to UNICEF) but I don't remember that being flashed across the news-these things are selectively reported.

I have nothing against dummy use, just sloppy interpretation of evidence. I think parents need real information, so choices can be made, not just more rules and guidelines.

It's a valid topic TDWP - it's just that your conduct has soured the thread somewhat.
Maybe bin this one and start again?

littlelapin - thank you.

It doesn't answer my query though - is a nipple (given systematically to get a baby back to sleep) as good as (or better than) a dummy?

I agree with Anna[seem to a lot]. I just don't see how breastfeeding and dummy sucking are compatible, and to me beastfeeding is of vital importance. I think that is the problem I am having with this.
Whilst breastfeeding mine fell asllep on the breast every nap/ bed time and I think this is quite common
Anna- I wonder if the action of sucking to sleep on the breast gived similar protection as you mentioned earlier.
That would be interesting