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CF or me being tight?

406 replies

TheSnootiestFox · 04/06/2023 11:15

Please can you help me decide? I've posted this on relationships but I'm putting it here for traffic! I've actually drafted the final WhatsApp saying how upset I was but given he's been a little star up until now I would welcome a few more opinions.......

I've been seeing someone for a few weeks. All has been great until Friday night when I felt properly sussed out financially. So for example, I was asked if a diamond ring I wear was real. Then, in the past when we've eaten out we've always bought drinks in rounds and taken turns on main courses of around 16 or 17 pounds. Last night I said it was my round, and suggested a different pub which was a bit more expensive just for a change but I was only expecting to have a main course (mine was £23, his £30.). He then proceeds to order 3 courses and extra drinks, the last of which he took 3 mouthfuls of the pint and said he didn't want it and didn't know why he'd ordered it so left it. Obviously I then picked up a bill of over £100 that I hadn't budgeted for. He knows its my son's birthday and my cars MOT and I'm paying for an overnight stay later in the month for us both, and although this is him coming along to help me with something I am funding the whole thing for both of us.

Am I just being tight here and if I invite him out I should be prepared for every eventuality 😆 or was that a bit cheeky?

OP posts:
Arthur2shedsJackson · 05/06/2023 21:23

OP, as a matter of interest, could you tell me why your posts are littered with !!!!!!!!!!, with xxxx and with emojis?
No 'hun' yet, but it's all very netmums. Just saying.

Twobyfour · 05/06/2023 21:48

Sorry to have brought up the toast issue yesterday!

Summergarden · 05/06/2023 21:48

Arthur2shedsJackson · 05/06/2023 21:23

OP, as a matter of interest, could you tell me why your posts are littered with !!!!!!!!!!, with xxxx and with emojis?
No 'hun' yet, but it's all very netmums. Just saying.

Oh just stop being catty won’t you?

There is no rule whatsoever about the acceptable number of punctuation types or emojis etc.

However, replies like yours that offer no constructive advice and intend to belittle the OP certainly are seen as going against what MN refer to as ‘the spirit of the site’.

Summergarden · 05/06/2023 21:49

NutellaNut · 05/06/2023 19:53

Can’t understand why you’re getting such flack from some people on here! The majority agree YANBU. You made your situation clear up thread, but it would have been useful to have raised the issue earlier with him. But hey, you live and learn! It is pretty weird that he asked the value of your ring. I doubt most guys would even notice. Still, I agree with others who said next time when it’s his turn, order 3 full courses and drinks. Only after that should you turn say ‘let’s spilt the bill from here on, or just pay for what we ordered.’ If he’s a decent bloke he’d probably say ‘fair enough’. His response will tell you everything you need to know.

Exactly this!

Ohfgsjon · 05/06/2023 21:50

TheCatterall · 05/06/2023 20:26

@TheSnootiestFox oh dear lord… I say that I’m living on porridge for the week/month. Im now worried people will actually take this literally.

Why wouldn't they take you literally? It's not a saying. Just like living off toast isn't a bloody saying. I'm not stupid, so I get the point you're trying to convey but neither of those are sayings. It's not because I've not heard of them or because of regional differences. They're just not sayings. If anyone else tries to tell me that they are in fact sayings, then I'm going to use bloody capital letters 😠

Talia99 · 05/06/2023 22:00

Ohfgsjon · 05/06/2023 21:50

Why wouldn't they take you literally? It's not a saying. Just like living off toast isn't a bloody saying. I'm not stupid, so I get the point you're trying to convey but neither of those are sayings. It's not because I've not heard of them or because of regional differences. They're just not sayings. If anyone else tries to tell me that they are in fact sayings, then I'm going to use bloody capital letters 😠

I agree. I also find ‘jokes’ about not having enough to eat to be incredibly insensitive in light of the fact there are more people every month who are literally in this position and literally having to go to food banks to keep their children fed.

TheSnootiestFox · 05/06/2023 22:39

Arthur2shedsJackson · 05/06/2023 21:23

OP, as a matter of interest, could you tell me why your posts are littered with !!!!!!!!!!, with xxxx and with emojis?
No 'hun' yet, but it's all very netmums. Just saying.

Because of my exuberant personality 😁 but NB I only use one ! at a time and I'd rather die than call someone Hun. I also have a degree, a postgrad, a CV to die for and I'm actually nice 😁 which you should maybe try if you're trying to infer something about my social status or level of education just because I don't write my posts in the same style I do my Masters level essays. I've never been on Netmums so you would know more than me about their house style.......what a vile post!

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TheSnootiestFox · 05/06/2023 22:46

Talia99 · 05/06/2023 22:00

I agree. I also find ‘jokes’ about not having enough to eat to be incredibly insensitive in light of the fact there are more people every month who are literally in this position and literally having to go to food banks to keep their children fed.

But, missing the point of my own post entirely, beans on toast would be enough to eat in any case? It absolutely is a saying, and not just regional to me as I've seen it loads on the Emma Bridgewater and Fairfax and Favor Facebook pages that I follow. Do you think car crash TV is literally people watching car crashes too?

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TheSnootiestFox · 05/06/2023 22:47

Summergarden · 05/06/2023 21:49

Exactly this!

Thank you both, and everyone else with sensible comments 😁 yes, I should have reigned him in a bit and yes I am more than a bit put off!

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billy1966 · 05/06/2023 22:48

OP, you sound absolutely fab.
Don't listen to the MN noise.🙄

He's a twat.

Move on.

monsteramunch · 05/06/2023 22:48

Arthur2shedsJackson · 05/06/2023 21:23

OP, as a matter of interest, could you tell me why your posts are littered with !!!!!!!!!!, with xxxx and with emojis?
No 'hun' yet, but it's all very netmums. Just saying.

What a nasty post.

What response were you hoping for other than y trying to make OP feel shit or embarrassed?

I can see that happily she's replied and isn't bothered about your horrible comment but that doesn't change the fact it was so needlessly unkind to start with.

How bizarre to post on a thread just to belittle an OP for her writing style.

MzHz · 05/06/2023 22:53

Oh for the love of god! It’s just a post on mumsnet, not a proclamation or anything of notable significance

if you’re so offended by a turn of phrase, just sit yourself down and think for a second.

not everything has to be taken literally or lambasted when your sense of humour and intellect has abandoned you. Reeeeelaaax and unclench a bit.

TheSnootiestFox · 05/06/2023 22:56

@monsteramunch, @billy1966 and @MzHz, thank you 😁 xxx 🤣

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adriftinadenofvipers · 05/06/2023 22:58

Arthur2shedsJackson · 05/06/2023 21:23

OP, as a matter of interest, could you tell me why your posts are littered with !!!!!!!!!!, with xxxx and with emojis?
No 'hun' yet, but it's all very netmums. Just saying.

@Arthur2shedsJackson as a matter of interest, what do you get out of posting nasty replies like this?

Maybe you should just eff off back to NetMums (we use capital letters here hun).🙄🙄🙄

Just saying.

Coffeepot72 · 05/06/2023 23:06

Speaking of regional phrases, please promise me that none of you have ever swung a cat?!

billy1966 · 05/06/2023 23:10

Yet another thread that makes me think I would rather stick needles in my eyes than EVER post for advice on this site.

God bless the women that do.

And god forgive the nasty, vicious, utterly sad wasters that think spelling, language, punctuation and expression give you some god given right to bully posters asking for advice.

You are a thundering disgrace.

Everytime you query posters this way, you embarass the shit out of yourself.

You make posters like me cringe and think you must be so SO sad as to think you have time and space in your life to do this.

Stop.

Think.

Its so NOT clever.🙄

Get a life.

Delighted to get THAT off my chest!

MarrymeJM · 05/06/2023 23:11

Why are you buying any rounds anyway. Isn't the man supposed to woo you ?

Beeinalily · 05/06/2023 23:12

Here we say "living on bread and scrape". I'm glad nobody has ever asked what scrape is, because I have no clue.

JoBoJoBo · 05/06/2023 23:12

I would cancel the trip.Also when it is turn to pay make him pay for same meal and drinks.Does he earn the same salary as you ?

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 05/06/2023 23:27

I think his behaviour at the meal was very very cheeky and taking full advantage, as identified by ordering extra drinks he didn't even want.
As you've said several times, he knows this is a tough month financially for you. The whole thing has the hallmarks of a CF.

But...

Someone who is so interested in your ring and its value, more or less a stranger is not someone I would be asking to help me move my furniture across the country. I would be worried that he'd be assessing the belongings for value. Got any valuable paintings? Antiques?

So you've had two red flags already for this very very short relationship.
You have felt obliged to explain almost all your circumstances to him. YOu think you are telling him you are hard up because it was expensive but necessary, but he's hearing spending thousands on private surgery, all the "holidays you've managed to give your son, using savings to pay off your car soon. It's like you felt obliged to apologise, justify and explain, your spending almost asking for approval. If it was really necessary, you shouldn't have to feel guilty and explain. Its enough just to say something vague like you are feeling the pinch. Perhaps be more cautious about discussing so much with someone you've just met. In comparison. How much of his circumstances has he confided to you?

How much help would he really be? Its a complete gamble. Seen it many times with people asking friends to move and the friends turn out to hardly lift a finger, in fact they get in the way.
Why is a nice hotel and presumably further meals needed to reward him? -It is a big ask in a way and better left to professionals with the skills and equipment and space in the van. Presumably, you will also be lifting and you've just had surgery? I can see this being quite a difficult day. Just come from helping with an end of tenancy cleaning and move. It took double the time expected with four of us helping, its grubby, arduous and tiring. You will both be exhausted and it's not going to be the weekend break he is anticipating. You said you were treating him to a jolly. Its not at all moving furniture around and he doesn't sound reliable. Pay someone to do it with the hotel/meal money you would have spent. Then you know it will be done quickly and properly and you won't feel beholden to anyone.

Secondly.
even when the bill came I was hoping he'd say 'Shall we go 50/50?' but no such luck... some of the replies here have made me feel like a tightwad so I still don't know what to think!

I think it would be quite normal to hope for an offer of 50/50 under the circumstances. But he just tucked in regardless, wanting to get his money's worth. That is what has set your alarm bells ringing and why I think it would be madness to go ahead with this moving furniture/hotel break jolly. Whether you want to continue the relationship or not - this scheme would kill it off entirely, I believe. There are too many things that could go wrong. If he lacks generosity in meal sharing - probably lacks generosity in being helpful in moving big furniture across the country IMHO.

Thirdly
you were embarrased with the prospect of him and people on this thread thinking of you as a "TightWad"..
You have to look into why being thought a Tightwad, is worse than running out of money for things that are really really important to you like your son's birthday and your MOT. Managing your resources properly is not being a tightwad. Be proud of managing your money for yourself and your DC, and to hell what anyone else thinks. You felt too embarrassed to speak up - but that is what CFs capitalise on... its a mindset. The fact is if he wasn't being so insensitive, you wouldn't have needed to speak up anyway. You have to ask yourself what's the worst thing that could happen if you had spoken up? Would that be worse than how you feel now? Doubting yourself, worrying about how to get through the month, worrying what people think of you etc... As someone else said don't dwell on the fact you didn't. Think about what you could have said and save that for the next situation.

It sounds like you have had a lot of changes in your life and you are trying to find ways to do things independently, my advice would be to be a tightwad. Make some new rules and Think of some ways of asking for what you want. Dont apologise for what you needed to do/spend. Speak up without guilt or fear that people will reject you - its going against how you were taught in your youth, but again... what's the worst that could happen? Who is going to stand up and denounce you? They may not agree with you, they may have an alternative view. That is a normal exchange. You don't have to constantly do what other people want, and be afraid to say anything. If they reject you for making a proposal about being fair about splitting costs when you have a tight month - what does that make them? Surely they should be the ones to be embarrassed?

Tumbler2121 · 05/06/2023 23:28

Not part of your issue really, but is it worth moving the furniture yourself? Hard work, you pay for help and you owe a favour!

Get a quote from a proper mover, maybe a part load .... and they'll be fully insured.

JosieP03 · 05/06/2023 23:30

I'm new on here & reading through these messages has convinced me that I will never post anything on here again. So many nasty people & unkind comments to a lovely polite lady who was just asking for advice.

Thelnebriati · 05/06/2023 23:31

Its the school holidays in some places, that often accounts for it.

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/06/2023 23:54

billy1966 · 05/06/2023 23:10

Yet another thread that makes me think I would rather stick needles in my eyes than EVER post for advice on this site.

God bless the women that do.

And god forgive the nasty, vicious, utterly sad wasters that think spelling, language, punctuation and expression give you some god given right to bully posters asking for advice.

You are a thundering disgrace.

Everytime you query posters this way, you embarass the shit out of yourself.

You make posters like me cringe and think you must be so SO sad as to think you have time and space in your life to do this.

Stop.

Think.

Its so NOT clever.🙄

Get a life.

Delighted to get THAT off my chest!

Completely agree with you - never in a million years!!!!! (is that too many exclamation marks 😜?

Crikeyalmighty · 06/06/2023 00:03

@billy1966 Yep- there does seem to be a whole bunch of people who remind me of the film ' Heathers' except most are in their late 30s and 40s .