Another person killed by one of these dogs

[Schooldinners1]

When will people stop getting these dogs?

There have been so many stories of it going horribly wrong. I don’t know what people are thinking! Especially with vulnerable people in the property like kids and elderly people.

There are hundreds of dogs out there! Why choose to get these dogs that have a history of being unstable.

Its awful!

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I think appeal for people not thinking it through might be that the breeds are big/impressive/gives them street credibility?

For me on a personal level, I have fallen in love with fila's as they are very docile and loyal towards their family. Our first Fila loved going with us everywhere we went. Loved being in the car, she was a fun and bubbly pup. Unfortunately she died young due to illness. All our dogs have one thing in common, for their breed they are very docile and good natured. They love playing untill very old age. I also understand my dogs are not representative for the whole breed but lineage is so important as well as upbringing. Fe one of our dogs has a lot of Champions in his lineage. It was a pain to get him to our island but he is at almost 3 years still very playful and sweet natured. His sister from the same litter was returned to the breeder as the owner did not spend a lot of time with her or trained ger, so she did not accept him and did not listen to him. That is a possible risk and a dangerous situation. That man did not have any prior experience with fila's and wanted to show her around in my opinion as they are very lovely examples of the breed. It shows how much importance needs to be placed in education and training. Not all owners of power dogs want to impress or scare others or elevate their status. For me this breeds fits best to my expectations and lifestyle.

A fellow breeder has fila's and German Shepherds. His personal favorite are the fila's as they are mentally less edgy and less hyper, but for security work with lots of strangers the shepherds are deemed better. Personally I am scared to death for German Shepherds. I find the ones I have met to be very unpredictable. However, that is subjective

Superintendent Sutherland Lane of Warwickshire Police said: 'This was a tragic isolated incident, and a full investigation is now underway to establish the circumstances surrounding it.

'Thankfully dog attacks of this nature are exceedingly rare, but I recognise this will be deeply upsetting for the local community.’

Isolated incident? Exceedingly rare?

I will not be shutting up any time soon. Someone's desire to keep a big dog doesn't override the wellbeing of the general public.

Here's a list of UK dog attack fatalities. In recent times there has been a clear increase in frequency and XL Bullies are overwhelmingly the perpetrators.

In the US, where pitbull ownership is common, the stats are even more stark:

• "48 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2019. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 900 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 69% (33) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 8% of the total U.S. dog population.

If you read the news article, you'd see that the dog is of a banned breed. The Govt has already banned that type of dog.

When I was about 8 years old, we were visiting my mums best friend. She had a beautiful Westie and a cat. I spent time stroking the Westie, then went and stroked the cat. Went back to the westie and he grabbed my face and shook me like I was a ragdoll! He was obviously jealous! Yes, I went to hospital and had to have stitches. My Mums friend was devastated. But that was a little Westie!

These breeds generally are owned by people who literally don't ''Give a shit''.
They aren't going to bother being responsible owners.

How many more innocent people {Or pet dogs} must die because idiots want these ugly hippo dogs?

I’m not sure lack of policing is quite the problem here.

There have been nineteen fatal dog attacks since the start of 2021, which is a hell of a lot when compared to previous years.

Out of those nineteen deaths, thirteen were in the dogs own domestic setting. We don’t tend to have police hanging round peoples homes.

That being said, I do think the laws surrounding dog ownership need to be more
proactive than reactive. It shouldn’t be the case that a tragedy happens and then a banned breed is seized. The banned or restricted breed list also needs revisiting.

I have said this before but I am fairly sure that if middle class children were being quite literally torn apart while still alive this would long since have caused outrage. But people seem to accept unspeakable things happening behind the doors of shabby houses on the wrong side of town, and shrug and say oh, well the law doesn’t work anyway.

It's illegal to breed or import pitbulls, pig dogs & some other bred to be aggressive breeds in Australia. (So the breeds die out - I don't think any are left.) I'm glad because I watched, as a child, a pair of pig dogs attack & kill my cat (on a farm, owner used them as wild pig hunting dogs, so trained to kill.) They were remorselessly violent & if they couldn't tell the difference between a cat and pig as an appropriate target, well, I'm glad dad made DB & I stay inside.

It is safer now, but mostly because people who wanted these breeds wanted aggressive dogs or didn't realise how to handle these dogs to be safe. Aggressive dog seekers still find something, though. They're still there.

There are still dog attacks. Mostly unsupervised small kids, in a private home, who approach a dog that's eating or sleeping or jump on them etc. Occasionally a dog will attack unprovoked - especially if there's more than one & you wander into their property. I won't walk in the early morning anymore because cheap new housing means poor fencing & lazy dog owners & I see dogs roaming untethered every day. I still don't trust them. Regardless of the breed.

Still too many of those Bull Arabs in Queensland, though.

Just out of interest , why did you mention Malinois and Dutch Shepherds ( though you called them herders). They are in no way dangerous dogs in any country that I know of. If you know different please let me know as I own a Dutchie.

This is a bit like the argument about gun ownership. The owners need them for protection and follow the rules and keep them locked up.
Owners of dogs with lethal jaws - he’s a loving family pet.

Malis and Dutch Shepherds/Herders and to a lesser extent, heavy working type GSD's are the latest 'must have' 'hard' breeds to own for a particular demographic who like to train 'protection work'... ie biting people for funsies.

For those who take competition bite sports seriously and keep these dogs appropriately, sourcing them from good breeders etc, thats not an issue... but its becoming increasingly popular with people who have zero handling skills, knowledge, facilities or business doing this, with dogs from VERY dodgy breeders (basically bred to want to bite like maniacs from as young as 5 weeks old) - controlled and 'trained' using shock and prong collars and focusing heavily on the 'grab and bite a person' aspect and not the 'let go when told to, immediately and without question' aspect.

In part this is a result of lockdown, in part its the huge rise in social media flashy trainers (almost all male 'alpha' types!) promoting such training and activities. I think theres a good strong link between this and toxic masculinity 'be teh alpha, control a powerful scary dog that bites' too but thats my own personal theory.

The dogs they're getting (and fucking up, causing accidents with then euthanising or just dumping) are horribly bred lunatic bite-a-holics, they LIVE to bite, they don't just like it, they don't want to do anything but bite and bite people at that (ok they're biting the sleeve or the dummy but the way these morons train... they're biting people, including their owners, as part of training).

Rescues and general trainers are seeing a huge rise in Mali/Working GSD/Dutchie types (often mixes, rarely papered) in pet homes where the husband/boyfriend has bought the dog for this and then the wife/girlfriend has realised that this is not the safe pet puppy they were told and then they're asking for help which often just isn't possible as they do not have the means to meet the dogs needs or the dog is neurologically beyond help.

Again... it isn't the breed itself, it is the people. The common factor here is stupid, dangerous people.

Oh ok. They are very rare here in Australia. Very few breeders. Those that are bred mostly go to the military. Some who are a bit "soft " end up with people like me. Honestly the most easy dog I own. My Lab drives me bonkers. The Dutchie is a delight. That's why I was surprised.
Also GSD's have been fabulous family pets for decades so shouldn't be lumped in with ridiculous bully breeds. GSD's are lovely dogs.

So we pass a law that says ‘stupid and dangerous people cannot own this breed.’

We can’t, can we? In any event, I’m not sure it is always quite that straightforward. Some people are stupid, or at least, they make decisions I personally think are unwise. I’m not sure that means that being killed by their own pet is some sort of moral justification. Just sometimes, people mean well but are foolish. If lots of people around you have this dog and everywhere on the ‘Net reckons it’s a great breed really, just not in the ‘wrong hands’ and your mate is selling puppies … and there we have it. It might be stupid but the price for stupidity shouldn’t be that high.

We have speed limits on roads not everyone adheres to, we have laws that we must not carry offensive weapons, sexual assault is against the law. For some reason, this particular law about dogs is the only one that seems to have people saying ‘well it’s ignored anyway so it’s a rubbish law and pointless.’ It’s pointless if it isn’t enforced before a tragedy but to me that’s an argument for stronger measures, not forgetting the whole thing.

I am genuinely wondering if this is how it is, if people are just going to accept ten plus fatalities every year and that’s acceptable?

Our neighbors just got one and they are highly irresponsible as it is! I’m considering reporting it tbh!

In my local area a girl who’s crazy about the breed licks there backsides constantly accusing the media of exaggerating the issues with the breed and “trains them” breeds them etc well walked had to put up a desperate plea on sm to rehome one as it killed one of her smaller breeds! WHO the fuck is going to rehome that?! have the dog destroyed!

You get two types of owners with those sort of dogs; those that use the dog as a weapon, and those in denial that their dog is a softie.

Not sure if that was directed at me, but our Dutchie genuinely is a softie. He is getting old now. Never even considered biting anyone. Raised his hackles once at one tradesmen. Spends most of his day sleeping. They are really nice dogs. I've never heard of anyone being attacked by a Dutchie. Do you have other info?

This I had one and it was fine attitude just smacks of "my grandpa smoked 100 a day and a bottle of whiskey a week and lived till 100'.
Oh OK so long as it occasionally works it OK then no need to worry.

Yeah, but you don't hear of people training their Golden Lab to become a killer, bite people, because it's not in their nature. And dogs that can kill single handed (not talking about packs) are muscular dogs with big jaws. Not jack russels. So it is the dog breed too.

It really isn't a tough problem. The rights of the rest of us to safety outweigh the rights of idiots to own high risk breeds. Round all these types of dogs up and euthanise.

ALL of those breeds need to be eradicated.

Why should we shut the fuck up? I'm sick of being afraid for my life when sharing the park with mauly-type dogs.

No it wasn't aimed at anyone. I just read the opening post about the dog attack and made my general comment which I stand by. No dog is ever 100% safe and some dogs jaw power is more dangerous than other dog breeds. All dog owners should exercise caution at all times around other dogs and children it doesn't matter if your dog has a perfect track record or not.

I think the dogs that haven't yet been banned but can be very aggressive should be kept on leads at all time, if not owner to be fined.

I agree that they should always be on a lead but unfortunately some of them can't be controlled even on leads - they can be over 10 stone of solid muscle. (Although I don't know if this dog is an XL Bully or cross of some sort, it just said 'unknown' in the article.)

It would help although it doesn’t solve lack of safety for dc who are subject to them in their home by adults who don’t think it through

Or the horrendous incidence of dogs mauling people in a nearby garden