Another person killed by one of these dogs

[Schooldinners1]

When will people stop getting these dogs?

There have been so many stories of it going horribly wrong. I don’t know what people are thinking! Especially with vulnerable people in the property like kids and elderly people.

There are hundreds of dogs out there! Why choose to get these dogs that have a history of being unstable.

Its awful!

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Idiot Owners + XL bullies is a recipe for disaster.

I know one rescued by a professional, qualified dog trainer. She really is a sweet dog because her owner has her well trained and sensibly muzzles her in public etc.

Her jaws are HUGE though and I can see how on the wrong hands they could literally be lethal weapons.

Such a shame your child can’t even enjoy playing in your garden and you always have to watch your back now.

Ah yep..

Dog kept outside.
Dogs owner bragging its a rare breed blah blah (it isn't. It isn't even a recognised breed here or I bet, anywhere).
Fatality happened in their own home/property to a member of their own family.

I will put money on it this was a dog owned with the specific intent to intimidate people - bought from a dodgy source - poorly bred, poorly trained and badly handled.

The common denominator is humans, not dog breeds. This owner with a Malinois, a German Shepherd, a Dutch Herder, an Akita, (all other popular breeds for those who want a big outdoor dog that intimidates people) would have been just as dangerous.

Certain breeds appeal to a certain demographic - not all owners fit that demographic and I know some absolutely exemplary owners of xl bully types (they're also all qualified and well respected trainer/behaviourists though!).

It's not the Pitbulls themselves as a breed who are dangerous, but more often than not, it's the type of people who are keeping and breeding these "illegal" breeds. For example, Labradors owned and raised by these types of people would be just as dangerous if Labs had the banned status.
They literally are status dogs bred to look and act viciously because of WHAT they are.
My parents owned a Pitbull cross when I was a kid and she was the sweetest girl. Her mum (full pit) was too because she had a nice old lady owner.

At least it was a member of their own family and not a stranger. That poor lady though. I couldn’t imagine the pain and horror she must have felt being killed by a dog. The owner should be charged with manslaughter.

It's so scary, that poor woman and her family. My neighbour has an American bully with 3 under 4 year old children. The dog so far is lovely but it really worries me.

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Thankfully we have a back garden so they'll carry on our there as we have a large gate. But I certainly couldn't settle knowing they were in the front garden, we have no gate.

This poor woman.

Have just reread and realised it was her family dog, so I feel sorry for her but not the family tbh.

I'm suprised it wasn't a n American bully dog as they seem to be scumbags dog of choice these days, and the ones attacking people.

Sad but it's not even unexpected now.

To be fair even a large man wouldn’t stop one of these dogs once they go into attack mode!
I had a toy breed of dog when my DD was a baby and they weren’t even left alone.. ever!
I know someone who had a ‘dangerous’ breed (not a banned one though) it had been aggressive to family visiting the house so no one would visit and when she gave birth the dog was PTS.. just isn’t worth the risk.

Bull breeds should be banned. Along with idiotic propaganda about "nanny dogs"

No. It is the breed. These dogs were breed to attack without warning and bite and not let go. Labradors do not attack in that manner. Most dogs will growl loudly, then give a nipping bite.

There are many, many stories of this breed who were "lovely, friendly dogs".

Until they snapped. Keeping that type of dog is like pulling the pin on a grenade. It's more likely to go off than not.

Does anyone know why there's been a recent notable upsurge in these attacks? Are these dogs easier to buy now? Are they 'on trend' more than they were? Something to do with lockdown or whatever else?

Exactly. And try getting one of these dogs off someone being attacked! I'm fairly certain you would manage with a lab or a west highland terrier, for example, but certainly not one of these huge breeds, no chance!!

Dog fest was quite depressing in the respect of XL bullies all intact also the other concern was the rescue we were next to they had 3 huskies surrendered in Dubai yes you read that right Dubai from an apartment when the ex Pat returned to the UK. Fux sake a huskie in Dubai just so depressing

Wow, that is unfathomable, poor dogs.

That poor poor woman. She was only sunbathing 😥

Dog rarely walked
Dog kept outside

Wonder if it thought the woman was in his territory since I doubt they bonded if she never walked it or had it inside the house.

Pitbulls, American bull dogs and similar breeds were bred for fighting sports where dogs fought to the death. So yes, it is the breed. They were bred over the decades to be larger, more muscular and with stronger jaws. An aggressive temperament.

People shouldn’t own dogs that are stronger than them. No dog should be left alone with a child, but some dogs are more dangerous than others. All dogs can turn, but these beasts are impossible to kick away from their victim. Most fatal dog attacks these past few years have been American bulldogs and similar. I think all of the fatal dog attacks this year were by American bulldog types. This doesn’t include attacks that leave life changing injuries.

I’m sure it was soft as a brush and wouldn’t hurt a fly….

We own multiple Fila Brasileiro's. In the UK it is a banned breed, but were I live it is a common dog. Over the years, we have owned more than 15 of them and have had a few litters.

Our situation is very different as we live very rural in a place where it takes quite some time for the police to drive and our next door neighbours are about a mile away.

Fila's were bred to hunt and protect initially and not to kill. The times an animal strayed into our yard, my dogs cornered it, but did not kill or attack it. That is what a proper well bred Fila should so. However, breeding a well rounded Fila is very expensive as you need to know their lines, characters of the parents, amount of ojeriza they have etc. For us, we breed on having dogs with little ojeriza, as that is what makes them volatile in the hands of someone without experience. Furthermore, these dogs are so attached to their owners that you need to give them proper attention and care. It is not a breed for everybody and certainly not from dodgy breeders, not knowing their lineage etc. As it is banned in the UK , banned breeds by default are then found from dodgy breeders, which increases the risks. F.e. in my home country there are no such cases known as in the UK while we have similar breeds over here. Actually, the most aggressive dog we ever owned was not a Fila but a chowchow.

You sound like a responsible owner, it must annoy you when you hear stories like this, they obviously didn't take care of the animal appropriately.

What breed was this dog?

Unknown at this stage.

The police have said it was a banned breed, so either APBT, Fila Brasilero, Dogo Argentino or Japanese Tosa.

But of course mumsnet have decided it was an American Bully.

Yeah and the U.K government side stepped the law that would stop illegal ear cropping. It’s pointless posting on mn. Get up, stand up and vote.

They are NOT protection dogs. Protection dogs retail upwards £10k. They can be both family dogs and attack dogs because they are stable, highly intelligent, trainable. There are exceptions, but the XL bully is bred for dog fighting by HUMANS. So you may question who is the most unstable, what idiot would think it was a good idea.. 🙄
XL bull dogs used to retail for thousands until idiots started doing it for hundreds. Now they give them away for free, usually seen as a penis extender.

Yes, it annoys me a lot as it gives the dogs a very bad reputation. We currently own 10 of them and they live together as 1 big pack without any incidents. They love playing together and are very gentle giants to us as a family.

However, they also do fulfill their purpose as a guard dog. They will guard my family, livestock and each other with their lives as they are so family oriented. That does not mean that they would kill any stranger on my yard.

It does take a lot of effort and I realize that I am a minority in how we handle and train these dogs.